(Australia) Doctors Reject Reporting Gun Owners

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Copyright 2002 The Age Company Limited
The Age (Melbourne)


October 29, 2002 Tuesday

SECTION: News; Pg. 4

LENGTH: 462 words

HEADLINE: Doctors Reject Reporting Gun Owners

BYLINE: Phillip Hudson Mark Forbes

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Canberra -- Doctors and psychiatrists have attacked the Federal Government's proposal to force them to report concerns about the behaviour of gun-owning patients.

Health professionals said it could prevent people with mental health problems seeking treatment.

The option is part of a 13-point plan presented by Prime Minister John Howard to crack down on handguns and related crime. Victorian Premier Steve Bracks also wants police ministers meeting next week in Darwin to look at whether gun owners should undergo a psychiatric evaluation. Australian Medical Association president Kerryn Phelps said it was a call for doctors to identify possible offenders. She described the proposal as "absolute nonsense".

"There's no magic formula for identifying people capable of committing gun-related crimes. It's also an invasion of privacy for patients who are innocent of any crime," she said.

Dr Phelps said the AMA supported Mr Howard's push to ban semi-automatic handguns.

A lecturer in psychiatry at Melbourne University and consultant at the Austin Hospital, Dr Mal Hopwood, said mandatory reporting would be counterproductive.

"You are infringing a lot on civil liberties for a small benefit. You run the risk of dissuading people from seeing mental health services. The risks seem to outweigh the possible benefits," he said.

"The majority of individuals with mental health difficulties represent no risk and any mandatory reporting of their possession of a firearm is a significant intrusion on their confidentiality."

Dr Hopwood said doctors frequently reported firearm-owning patients and were legally protected in such cases. "I have done that, asked if they have access to a firearm and if they do reported them to police. I have done that a number of times."

Dr Hopwood said enforcing mandatory reporting would require defining what represented a level of risk in a patient. Firearms owners could be frightened their guns would be seized and be reluctant to tell their doctors about mental health problems, he said.

Justice Minister Chris Ellison said Dr Phelps misunderstood the proposal.

"The Commonwealth's proposal is not for health professionals to identify possible offenders but goes to the question of a person's fitness to hold a firearms licence," he said.

Health counsellor Paul McKillop, a member of former Victorian police chief Neil Comrie's taskforce on firearms and mental illness, said mandatory reporting should be required by counsellor, health professionals, gun club officials and the public.

Mr McKillop said independent professionals approved by police should conduct psychological evaluations of gun owners and talk to gun clubs and relevant family members.

He rejected the concerns by doctors and psychiatrists.

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Report gun owners "with problems"
October 28 2002
By Mark Forbes
Canberra





Doctors and other health professionals who have concerns about the behaviour of patients who own firearms should be forced to report them to police, Justice Minister Chris Ellison has said.

State leaders should support a proposal for mandatory reporting after the Monash University shootings a week ago, Senator Ellison said yesterday.

"There should be mandatory reporting by health professionals in relation to people who have a handgun where they see there may be a problem," he said.

A spokesman for Senator Ellison said anyone wishing to own a gun could be forced to undergo a health check, including a psychiatric evaluation.

Authorities should be forced to act on firearm owners who were reported by professionals, under a package of gun control initiatives to be debated by police ministers next week, the spokesman said.



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The ministers would discuss giving doctors lists of firearm owners as part of the mandatory reporting scheme, he said. An education program to alert health professionals of their responsibility to report concerns about firearm owners is also planned.

Senator Ellison said all handguns unrelated to legitimate sporting activity should be "eliminated".

"We believe that there are many thousands of guns that will be caught by that," he said.

The minister also rejected claims that poor border controls were responsible for a proliferation of illegal handguns in the community, claiming the problem was a legacy of lax state laws.

"We are tightening border controls," Senator Ellison said. "This business about Australia's porous borders being responsible for all the illegal handguns in the community is a furphy.

"What we have is a hangover from lax state laws years ago when legal guns were converted into illegal guns for use by the criminal sector. They are still around."

The problem also stemmed from theft of legally owned guns, he said. "But don't try and blame-shift and say it is all about Australia's borders," Senator Ellison said. "We are willing to work on our area of responsibility, but we also want the states and territories to work on their areas of responsibility too."

Victoria's Police Minister Andre Haermeyer, who will meet other state and federal police ministers next month to discuss tougher gun trafficking legislation, said illegal guns would continue to flood into the country unless the Customs Service was better resourced.

"Four containers out of every 1000 that reach our shores get checked," he said.

"In that sort of situation it doesn't matter how many police you engage, it doesn't matter how tough you make the trafficking laws, unfortunately illegal firearms are going to flow in in their thousands."

"I don't want to see Australian cities turning into the Bronx or turning into south central Los Angeles, but unless we close up our borders our police forces will be fighting a losing battle."

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hipower22

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all handguns unrelated to legitimate sporting activity should be "eliminated".

As the Daleks used to say "Eliminate them, eliminate them" zap zap.

And Ellison is supposed to be one of the smarter ones!

"We believe that there are many thousands of guns that will be caught by that," he said.

Dream on. All the neighbourhood crims will be lining up to surrender their illegaly held guns? I don't think so.
 

MeekAndMild

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Health professionals said it could prevent people with mental health problems seeking treatment.
True. I estimate that the US suicide rate will increase, possibly even double as result of fears related to the new law putting mental committments into the NICS database.
 

Tom B

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Are there really any "civil liberties" in that country? Do they have any document that guarantees people any rights? Just curious.
 

croyance

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Interesting that while Dr. Hopwood comes out against mandatory reporting of patients with guns, he himself asks his patients if they have access to guns and reports that information to police.
Sounds like he is trying to be friends with everybody.
 
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