Mike Irwin
Staff
What do you think?
I want to get some for my .44 Special.
I want to get some for my .44 Special.
Anyone using Trail Boss yet?
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Peter M. Eick
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Mike,
I just have not seen the stuff. I am going to have to order some because I want to try it in 357mag and 38 special! It sounds perfect for special with target loads, but I don't want to get my hopes up to high.
I just have not seen the stuff. I am going to have to order some because I want to try it in 357mag and 38 special! It sounds perfect for special with target loads, but I don't want to get my hopes up to high.
pearson1662
New member
Trail Boss in 41 Mag
I bought 5# from Gene Sears in El Reno, OK for loading 41 specialhttp://www.reloadingroom.com/page11.html. I've loaded about 50 rounds of varying charges for the model 57 that I got from Yankees1 (Thank you, very much
) but haven't fired them yet. Will post the results when I get my Chrony back from repair.
I bought 5# from Gene Sears in El Reno, OK for loading 41 specialhttp://www.reloadingroom.com/page11.html. I've loaded about 50 rounds of varying charges for the model 57 that I got from Yankees1 (Thank you, very much
) but haven't fired them yet. Will post the results when I get my Chrony back from repair.Peter M. Eick
New member
Gun 1) Pre-27 8 3/8” 357 magnum. 1957 production. Refinished, unfired prior to this test. Excellent condition overall. It will be called the pre-27.
Gun 2) 38/44 Outdoorsman, 6.5” 38 special, 1950 production, used, shot over 2000 times prior to this test. Excellent condition. My personal favorite N frame. Usually exceptionally accurate. Called the 38/44 OD for this test.
Gun 3) 38/44 Heavy Duty, 5”, 38 special, 1949 production, used, shot around 2000 times prior to the test. Some surface wear, but excellent mechanical condition. Very accurate overall (my favorite Heavy Duty), called the 38/44HD for the test.
Gun 4) Diamondback 4”, 38 special. 1976 production, used, shot around 45,000 times prior to this test. Worn, used, but in great shape. My first center fire, and it has been with me over 25 years. Called the diamondback for this test.
Gun 5) Detective Special, 2”, 38 special, 1976 production, new, never fired before this test. Shot very well and was surprisingly accurate. Called the Detective for this test.
The test equipment was an Oehler 35P chronograph set at 10 feet from the muzzle. Temp was 72f, winds perpendicular to the range at 5 to 10mph, Baro was 29.87, elevation is 79 feet. All shooting was done this afternoon.
The shooting procedure is to shoot a 20 shot string over the 35p and then move to the next gun. No effort was made to point the gun up or down prior to each shot. The goal was to shoot the string just like I would normally shoot at the target. The accuracy was judged by my ability to hit rocks on the berm. Being a public range, there was no practical way of switching targets between each run.
Now the standards
The bullet is always a Lasercast 158 grn LSWC.
The primers are always cci-500 primers
The cases are always starline, twice fired cases.
The press is a pro2000 using a uniflow dispenser, baffle and small micrometer.
The data is presented in a table. The first number is the highest velocity, the next is the lowest, the 3rd number is the extreme spread, the 4th number is the mean, and finally the last number is the standard deviation for the 20 shot string.
Here is the data, remember this is for a 20 shot string.
Trailboss, 4.0 grns
trailboss 4.0 10/10/2005 pre27-8 720 606 114 683 29
trailboss 4.0 10/10/2005 38/44 od 730 615 115 696 27
trailboss 4.0 10/10/2005 38/44hd 758 642 116 704 28
trailboss 4.0 10/10/2005 diamond 757 663 94 723 23
trailboss 4.0 10/10/2005 detective 702 609 93 651 25
My conclusion is that 4.2 grns would be about perfect for routine 38 special loads at approximately standard velocities. An excellent powder, clean, little smoke, no flash.
Gun 2) 38/44 Outdoorsman, 6.5” 38 special, 1950 production, used, shot over 2000 times prior to this test. Excellent condition. My personal favorite N frame. Usually exceptionally accurate. Called the 38/44 OD for this test.
Gun 3) 38/44 Heavy Duty, 5”, 38 special, 1949 production, used, shot around 2000 times prior to the test. Some surface wear, but excellent mechanical condition. Very accurate overall (my favorite Heavy Duty), called the 38/44HD for the test.
Gun 4) Diamondback 4”, 38 special. 1976 production, used, shot around 45,000 times prior to this test. Worn, used, but in great shape. My first center fire, and it has been with me over 25 years. Called the diamondback for this test.
Gun 5) Detective Special, 2”, 38 special, 1976 production, new, never fired before this test. Shot very well and was surprisingly accurate. Called the Detective for this test.
The test equipment was an Oehler 35P chronograph set at 10 feet from the muzzle. Temp was 72f, winds perpendicular to the range at 5 to 10mph, Baro was 29.87, elevation is 79 feet. All shooting was done this afternoon.
The shooting procedure is to shoot a 20 shot string over the 35p and then move to the next gun. No effort was made to point the gun up or down prior to each shot. The goal was to shoot the string just like I would normally shoot at the target. The accuracy was judged by my ability to hit rocks on the berm. Being a public range, there was no practical way of switching targets between each run.
Now the standards
The bullet is always a Lasercast 158 grn LSWC.
The primers are always cci-500 primers
The cases are always starline, twice fired cases.
The press is a pro2000 using a uniflow dispenser, baffle and small micrometer.
The data is presented in a table. The first number is the highest velocity, the next is the lowest, the 3rd number is the extreme spread, the 4th number is the mean, and finally the last number is the standard deviation for the 20 shot string.
Here is the data, remember this is for a 20 shot string.
Trailboss, 4.0 grns
trailboss 4.0 10/10/2005 pre27-8 720 606 114 683 29
trailboss 4.0 10/10/2005 38/44 od 730 615 115 696 27
trailboss 4.0 10/10/2005 38/44hd 758 642 116 704 28
trailboss 4.0 10/10/2005 diamond 757 663 94 723 23
trailboss 4.0 10/10/2005 detective 702 609 93 651 25
My conclusion is that 4.2 grns would be about perfect for routine 38 special loads at approximately standard velocities. An excellent powder, clean, little smoke, no flash.
Mike Irwin
Staff
Good to hear.
I now have a bottle, but haven't had the time to load up some .44 Spl. with it.
I now have a bottle, but haven't had the time to load up some .44 Spl. with it.