Anyone have some really NASTY brass they want cleaned?

ScottRiqui

New member
I recently bought the STM stainless-steel pin tumbling system, and it's really blown me away - the brass comes out looking essentially like new, inside and out.

BUT, almost all of the brass I collect is the typical "fired once, swept up off a concrete floor and tossed in a barrel", so other than tarnish, dirt and carbon deposits, it really wasn't that bad to begin with.

So, I'm looking for a few people who are willing to send me some nasty, grody, neglected brass to test out in the tumbler. Stuff that's corroded, been left out in the sun, heavily tarnished - you get the idea.

I'll take "before" pictures, tumble it, take "after" pictures, write up a little review to post here in this thread, and then send it back to the owner.

The first two or three people who volunteer in this thread can PM me for my mailing address.


Here's what I have in mind:

1) Dump the brass (2-4 pounds max, please) into a U.S. Postal Service "Flat Rate" box. You pay to ship it to me, and I'll pay to ship it back. I'll have it tumbled and back in the mail within a week of receiving it, probably sooner.

2) Mixed calibers are fine (preferred, even), but I'd appreciate it if for the most part, the cases don't easily "nest" inside one another (like 9mm and .40 S&W).

3) Likewise, I'd appreciate it if not all of the cases are absolutely packed with mud/rocks/small animal bones/etc. A few like that are fine though, because I'm curious to see how the tumbler will handle them.

4) I'll deprime it before tumbling if I have a shell holder that fits it and if the case isn't packed with debris. I have a dedicated decapping die, so there won't be any sizing done that might scratch up the dirty brass.

5) I'll be using the standard tumbling recipe (five pounds of pins, two pounds of brass per batch, 1-2 tablespoons of Dawn dishwashing soap and 1/4-teaspoon of Lemishine), so it should be safe for the brass, but I make no guarantees as to the brass being suitable for reloading afterward. Heavy corrosion means that there's likely been at least some metal loss, and tumbling won't put that back. Likewise, cases that are cracked, split or bulged will still be cracked, split or bulged afterward. Also, I don't know what pin-tumbling does to lacquer or other case coatings.

So, anyone want to participate?
 

Brian Pfleuger

Moderator Emeritus
I've got some 6mm Rem brass that's been loaded for 30+ years and is the worst tarnished I've ever seen. It takes about 4 hours in my vibratory tumbler with walnut and Flitz polish to get it looking good. Even then, the innards and primer pockets aren't clean.

I'd love to send you some... but most of it is still loaded.:(

I'll have to tell my uncle to GET SHOOTIN'!
 

schmellba99

New member
I have some .40 that is brass, but looks like Wolf steel cased ammo (yes, it is that tarnished) that I'd be happy to send some to you just to see how it works.

I don't shoot .40, so this brass is almost useless to me. I'd love to sell or trade it to somebody that wants it, but for some reason it is hard to get rid of .40 brass.
 

Skitter

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Not that hard, everybody offering reloadable .40 brass I let them know I am looking, so far I have about 200rds of brass and no reloading kit yet :D
 

Beentown71

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I have some nasty (by my definition anyway) .223 and .308 setting around. I will take pics and post to see if it is nasty enough for you. Give me a minute.
 

Beentown71

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I have some nasty (by my definition anyway) .223 and .308 setting around. I will take pics and post to see if it is nasty enough for you. Give me a minute.

Example...

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ScottRiqui

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That's certainly more tarnished and weathered than anything I've run through the tumbler so far - I think all of those are good candidates. I'll PM you my address.
 

ScottRiqui

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Sounds good. And if the small box won't hold at least 2-4 pounds, go up to a larger one I'll still cover the return shipping.
 

Beentown71

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It should. 73 .223 cases weigh a pound. I should be able to fit 200 pretty easy. Not all will be as gruesome as I showed. If it doesn't fit though I will go up the next size. Interested in seeing how well it does.
 

schmellba99

New member
Not that hard, everybody offering reloadable .40 brass I let them know I am looking, so far I have about 200rds of brass and no reloading kit yet

I have probably 400 or 500 (however many will fill up a 1 gallon ziplock bag anyway) that I'd gladly trade for something I can use (.45 Colt, .45 ACP, .223) or even a small amount of cash.
 

rrruger

New member
I load the tumbler I use with stainless shot to polish and 'harden' my silver jewelry. The stainless shot will clean everything but the firescale left by the torch.

But, remember the longer the brass is hammered by the stainless the harder it becomes. You might need to anneal your brass more often
 

ScottRiqui

New member
But, remember the longer the brass is hammered by the stainless the harder it becomes. You might need to anneal your brass more often

I'm curious how much hardening is really occurring with the stainless steel pins, though. The individual pins themselves are very small (about .0035" by .25") and extremely light. The wetted pins have the consistency of a sludge or slurry, and there's really no "impact" going on.

I couldn't find any videos of polishing brass in a Thumler's with a clear cover, but here's one of someone tumbling pennies in one, to give you an idea of the motion involved. Note that there's not nearly as much material inside the tumbler when polishing brass, because five pounds of steel pins takes up a lot less space than the five pounds of aquarium gravel he's using. Plus, he's got two full quarts of pennies in there, which takes up a lot more space than two pounds of brass.

EDIT - Found a video after all.
 

ScottRiqui

New member
I didn't realize there was that much water involved. I always thought it was just enough to keep it wet.

I was surprised too, but the mix is actually mostly water, both by weight and by volume. The tumbler has a 15-pound capacity, and the standard mix is eight pounds of water, five pounds of pins, and two pounds of brass. By volume, it's 231 cubic inches of water, about 17 cubic inches of pins, and 6.5 cubic inches of brass.

I think you need that much water so that you can have sufficient quantities of soap and citric acid without the concentrations being too high. Even with a gallon of water and only moderately-dirty brass, the water comes out a very dark grey, almost black.
 

ScottRiqui

New member
First batch is in the tumbler!

schmellba99's brass got here yesterday, and the first two pounds of it are tumbling away now.

Here's a "group shot", after the depriming:

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These two were probably the most-corroded of the bunch, so I left their primers in place for easy identification later:

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Here are a dozen picked at random to show the case heads:

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And the same dozen flipped over (not in the same order as the previous shot):

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I'll grab a handful out of the tumbler after four hours just to document progress, and then go from there.
 

Grizz12

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This sounds pretty cool, I would like to see a short video of the tumbler in action. 15#'s of material seems like a LOT of stuff in a tumbler
 
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