Anti-Self Defense Movement Turns to Closed Meetings in AZ

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Jeff Thomas

New member
The anti-self defense movement has taken their tactics to a new level ... closed meetings. At last ... a bit more honesty on their part. Fascism is so much easier to develop in private.

Note, Napolitano is the AZ Attorney General

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000
Subject: HEAR JANET NAPOLITANO SPEAK ABOUT GUN VIOLENCE


> Dear MMM Central AZ Chapter in formation members,
>
> Citizens of AZ of Prevent Gun Violence have put together a GUN VIOLENCE
> FORUM with Alliance for Justice. It is October 2 at the Nina Mason
> Pulliam Auditorium of the Burton Barr Central Library in Phoenix. Pat
> McMahon of KTAR will be moderator. Speakers include: Chief Harold
> Hurtt/Phx PD--Carol Kamin of Children's Action Alliance--Attorney Genl,
> Janet Napolitano--and many more. The program is CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC. As
> members of MMM you are invited to reserve a seat for yourself or anyone
> you personally know that would like to attend this exciting event.
> OBJECTIVES FOR PROGRAM: Define the gun violence problem in AZ (2) Raise
> awareness of gun violence issues for professionals and the general
> public (3) Generate new and creative ideas to reduce gun violence in AZ
> (4) Encourage partnerships among those attending the Forum.
> IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN ATTENDING---Please respond directly to:
> janandsteve2@home.com---they need these reservations no later than Weds.
> 9/27/00.
>
> CAPGV needs one more person for the FUN FEST booth on Sunday, October
> 8th from 10A to 2P. Please respond directly to MIMI DUFFY at
> 480-998-3088.
>
> THANK YOU!!![/quote]

Perhaps the TRT would enjoy protesting this event?

Regards from AZ

[This message has been edited by Jeff Thomas (edited September 26, 2000).]
 
R

ruger45

Moderator
This could come in handy.2000 Candidate Contact Drive

Gun Owners of America E-Mail/FAX Alert
8001 Forbes Place, Suite 102, Springfield, VA 22151
Phone: 703-321-8585 / FAX: 703-321-8408 http://www.gunowners.org

September 25, 2000


Dear Arizona gun rights supporter:

The future of your right to keep and bear arms is in your hands.

Enclosed is a contact roster for the candidates running for election
to the state legislature, and possibly other state offices, in your
state. Please take a little time to contact your candidates using
the provided pre-written message.

Now is the time to get them to answer the Gun Owners of America 2000
State Candidate Survey program.

GOA sends surveys to candidates running in the General Election on
November 7, 2000. Right now these candidates are seeking your
support, but in many cases they won't answer specific questions
about specific issues.

Many politicians still believe it is good politics to stand with
Sarah Brady, Bill Clinton and Al Gore in opposition to your 2nd
Amendment rights. Let these anti-gun politicians know they should
apologize for doing so and stand up 100% for your gun rights.

Remind them that protecting your gun rights is both good policy and
good politics. The best time to do this is while they are listening
to their constituents and seeking support.

Of course, most compromisers and anti-gun politicians seek to hide
their "spots."

Here are some things to consider:

* Some have answered the survey with mixed results by taking some
anti-gun stands on specific proposals. Others have answered
100% pro-gun.

* Some have outright refused to answer because they're hostile to
your gun rights.

* Some are just ignoring your gun rights by not responding to the
GOA survey.

* Some are incumbents who answer pro-gun but try to downplay past
anti-gun votes.

But right now your direct contact is the kind of grassroots "heat"
that will force many fence-sitter candidates to "see the light" and
answer or "fix" bad answers.

You see, even now President Clinton, Vice President Al Gore and
anti-gun advocates in the media are working to seize the power to
control, and eliminate, your gun rights.

They are actively lobbying your candidates to support their agenda.

The anti-gunners plan to stop or reverse concealed carry reform.
Others are scheming to take the Brady "instant check" registration
system of all firearms to the next step -- toward gun rationing and
full-blown registration: serial numbers, licensing, and mandatory
bureaucratic training with yearly taxes and fees. Then they'll go
for confiscation.

However, when you put the heat on politicians they see the light.
That's where the Gun Owners of America State Candidate Survey
program comes into play.

The biggest problem for many gun owners is getting a straight answer
out of the politicians on where they stand and how they plan to
vote. Experience shows time and again that in an election year,
politicians listen more carefully to their constituents.

That's why it is so important you contact your candidates and insist
they answer the GOA candidate survey.

Here's what I need you to do:

1. Look up your candidates on the roster below-- especially
Senate and House. It will have contact information.

2. Next, use the pre-written message to aid in contacting them.


Note: If you don't know your district(s), you can look them up at http://www.gunowners.org/activism.htm in the GOA Legislative Action
Center. Simply click on Guide to States, and enter your zipcode as
directed. (Also, the Election 2000 section contains additional
information about candidates, such as websites, fax numbers, and
sometimes e-mail addresses.)

If your candidate(s) says he has answered 100% for your rights --
great! Soon GOA will be sending you the actual results with the
answers of the candidates for your inspection. (In case you are
wondering, the NRA has an official policy that its candidate surveys
are not to be shown to their members.)

Please act right away. Time is short, and your candidates are
forming the details of their positions on gun control as the media,
anti-gun activists and party "hacks" lobby them to sell out your gun
rights for campaign contributions and sympathetic news stories.

Sincerely,

Dennis Fusaro
Director of State Legislation


Survey Questions

1. Do you oppose "one-gun-a-month" laws that limit purchases of
firearms by law-abiding citizens?

2. Would you support "clean" preemption legislation that would
totally prohibit localities from placing limitations on the
rights of citizens to purchase, possess, or carry firearms?

3. Would you oppose legislation mandating no-safety zones designed
to ban open or concealed carry for self-defense and forcing
honest citizens to be disarmed?

4. Would you oppose legislation that would require that firearms
purchased by private citizens be registered with law enforcement
and tracked by a centralized record system administered by
government agencies?

5. Do you oppose legislation banning the manufacture, sale or
possession of semi-automatic firearms?

6. Do you oppose legislation banning the manufacture, sale or
possession of large-capacity ammunition magazines?

7. Do you oppose laws that would take away the rights of 18-20
year-olds to possess a firearm?

8. Do you oppose laws that allow persons who are shot by a properly
working firearm to sue firearms manufacturers and/or firearms
sellers (strict liability)?

9. Do you oppose laws that would ban the sale of a privately owned
firearm at a gun show unless it is reported and registered with
government bureaucrats?

10. Do you oppose government licensing to buy a gun?

11. Do you oppose computerized "instant" background check
legislation since it centrally registers gun sales and gun
owners?

12. Would you oppose government mandated use of trigger locks or
other such hazardous "safety" devices which have the effect of
making it difficult, if not impossible, to have a gun available
to defend your home and family?

13. Would you oppose legislation that bans firearms ownership due to
simple misdemeanors, and therefore unfairly targets and
victimizes legal gun owners?

14. Would you support Vermont-style legislation which would eliminate
all requirements to pay fees and register gun owners and simply
allow law-abiding citizens to carry firearms openly or concealed
(at the individual's discretion) for any reason except for the
commission of a crime?


----- Pre-written message -----

Dear ______________:

Recently Gun Owners of America (GOA) sent you a candidate
questionnaire.

I am very interested in where you stand on my gun rights. The
results, including those who refuse to respond, will be reported to
me in the weeks ahead before the November election. Please fill
out, sign and return your GOA candidate questionnaire right away.
If you need another one, e-mail goamail@gunowners.org or call GOA
at 703-321-8585.

I will be watching to see where candidates like you stand. Those
seeking my support must stand publicly for my gun rights in general
and on specific issues -- as contained in the GOA Survey -- in
particular. I expect all candidates to stand 100% for the right to
keep and bear arms. Do you?

Sincerely,

_______________

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Senate Candidates

01 D KNIGHT DAWN 1090 Evergreen RD Prescott 86303 520-445-4471
01 R BENNETT KEN 1826 Oaklawn DR Prescott 86305 520-778-9341
02 D JOHNSON RITA 4600 E Green Mountain Flagstaff 86004 520-526-3266
02 R VERKAMP JOHN 2620 N Fremont Flagstaff 86001 520-779-1228
03 D JACKSON JACK POB 4 Window Rock 86515 520-871-4452
04 D BROWN JACK POB 220 St. Johns 85936 520-337-4420
05 D GUENTHER HERB POB 365 Tacna 85352 520-785-4853
06 R DANIELS LORI 700 N Dobson RD #7 Chandler 85224 480-486-4736
07 D RIOS PETE POB 451 Hayden 85235 480-671-7325
08 D ARZBERGER MARSHA HCR 3 Box 6990 Willcox 85643 520-384-2095
08 R GRIFFIN GAIL POB 10 Sierra Vista 85636 520-458-5561
09 D RAMAGE-WHITE KATHY POB 18527 Tucson 85731 520-722-9076
09 L WEBER GEOFFREY POB 17839 Tucson 85731 520-631-2120
09 R BEE TIM 11171 E Escalante Tucson 85730 520-886-0103
10 D VALADEZ RAMON 162 W Lincoln Tucson 85714 520-294-2589
10 L GORNEY DALE HCR 2 Box 818 Tucson 85735 520- 822-2045
11 D RICHARDSON ELAINE POB 962 Tucson 85702 520-792-9034
11 G FORD CHRIS 827 E 8th ST Tucson 85719 520-624-8321
11 L SCHMID JOHN 7290 N Cherokee Pony TR Tucson 85743 520-382-7005
12 D OSTERLOH MARK POB 65642 Tucson 85728 520-615-2765
12 R HELLON TONI POB 64696 Tucson 85728 520-531-0303
13 D NICHOLS ANDY 4556 N Flecha DR Tucson 85718 520-577-8683
13 L SUNNE WAYNE 3838 Calle Barcelona Tucson 85716 520-795-9818
13 R DUNBAR KATHLEEN 3110 N Jackson Tucson 85719 520-325-3990
14 D SOLOMON RUTH 7026 E Kenyon DR Tucson 85710 520-747-1446
15 R CIRILLO EDWARD 14404 Sky Hawk DR Sun City W 85375 623-546-6920
16 D WINEMILLER MARK 5802 W Mercer Glendale 85304 623-878-0595
16 R HAMILTON DARDEN 5533 W Christy DR Glendale 85304 623-487-8931
17 R BURNS BRENDA 8220 W Orange DR Glendale 85303 623-872-9443
18 R GERARD SUSAN 126 W Northview Phoenix 85021 602-997-9402
19 D BRUNEAU MARTHA 21158 N 62nd AVE Glendale 85308 623-572-4447
19 R BUNDGAARD SCOTT 5511 W Northwood DR Glendale 85310 623-582-2445
20 D HARTLEY MARY 4118 W San Juan AVE Phoenix 85019-2008 602-841-2350
20 R SAVAGE CRAIG 6849 N 29th AVE Phoenix 85017 602-577-9438
21 D CASH PAUL POB 21466 Mesa 85277 480-807-7970
21 R BOWERS RUSSELL 8831 E Quill Mesa 85207 480-984-6305
22 D LOPEZ JOE 3801 W Lewis AVE Phoenix 85009 602-272-6102
23 D AGUIRRE LINDA 2626 W Elliott RD Phoenix 85041 602-625-2786
23 W CASHMAN BRADLEY 2239 N Edgemere Phoenix 85006 602-254-2934
24 L FALLON GARY 1729 E Potter DR Phoenix 85024 623-587-1480
24 R MARTIN DEAN 23227 N 23rd PL Phoenix 85024 480-502-8352
25 D CUMMISKEY CHRIS POB 7645 Phoenix 85011 602-277-2446
25 R KAMINSKY PAT 5104 E Van Buren ST #2019 Phoenix 85008
26 D RANGER ED 2302 N 44th ST Suite 14213 Phoenix 85008 888-972-6437
26 R SMITH TOM 4204 N 57th Way Phoenix 85018 480-941-5239
27 D MITCHELL HARRY 1222 E Verlea DR Tempe 85282 480-966-0074
27 R RICHARDSON GARY 4503 S Butte AVE Tempe 85282 480-838-1977
28 R GNANT RANDALL 7527 N Del Norte DR Scottsdale 85258 480-483-3622
29 D JAURIGUI ERNIE 514 W 1st ST Mesa 85201 480-898-0163
29 R PETERSEN DAVID 623 N Miller Mesa 85203 480-827-9554
30 D BLANCHARD JAY POB 688 Gilbert 85299-0688 480-813-6645
30 R GROSCOST JEFF POB 8431 Mesa 85214 480-813-8988

House Candidates

01 D CAMAROT HENRY 1974 Forest View Prescott 86305 520-443-5867
01 R BINDER LINDA 2421 Lema DR Lake Havasu City 86406 520-453-7145
01 R BLEWSTER BARBARA 14870 E Eagle RD Dewey 86327 520-632-1164
02 D ALLEN JOSH 170 Chaco TR Flagstaff 86001 520-525-2320
02 D SEDILLO JAMES 608 W Clay Flagstaff 86001 520-779-3123
02 R O'HALLERAN TOM POB 20603 Sedona 86341 520-284-2032
02 R ROUSH-MEIER MARGARET 721 N San Francisco ST Flagstaff 86001
03 D LAUGHTER SYLVIA POB 1456 Kayenta 86033 602-315-5683
03 D TOM ALBERT POB 27 Chambers 86502 602-677-0443
04 D MAESTAS CLAUDIA POB 21 Holbrook 86025 520-524-3711
04 D MARTIN PHIL POB 254 Thatcher 85552 520-428-3738
04 R BRIMHALL DEBRA POB 1216 Pinedale 85934 480-991-7131
04 R FLAKE JAKE HC 63 Box 7495 Snowflake 85937 520-536-4958
05 D CANNELL ROBERT 12394 E Del Norte Yuma 85367 520-305-1229
05 R CARRUTHERS JAMES POB 75 Yuma 85366-0075 520-344-8413
05 R NELSON LARRY 4464 W Charro LN Yuma 85365 520-726-7259
06 D WENZEL RICHARD 4539 E Ashurst DR Phoenix 85048 480-759-2277
06 R HUPPENTHAL JOHN 8 Bullmoose CIR Chandler 85224 480-786-3215
06 R ROBSON BOB 381 N Arizona AVE Chandler 85225 480-786-0809
07 D CHASE CHERYL POB 925 Kearny 85237 520-363-7567
07 D CLARK MARK POB 616 Mammoth 85618 520-487-2177
07 L ARANDA FRANK 2278 E 6th AVE Apache Junction 85219 480-982-0089
07 R COURTRIGHT MORRIS 612 Sixth AVE San Manuel 85631 520-385-9764
07 R SMITH JUAN POB 95 Mammoth 85618 520-487-2892
08 D LUGO BOBBY 400 Santa Cruz DR #10 Bisbee 85603 520-432-3780
08 D MAIORANA MARK POB 1249 Patagonia 85624 520-394-2738
08 R ANDERSON BEN POB 2866 Sierra Vista 85636 520-458-3705
08 R MENDELSOHN HOWARD POB 275 Elfrida 85610 520-642-9366
09 D BRADLEY DAVE 8646 E Olinga CT Tucson 85747 520-574-6965
09 G CROSBY WILLIAM 1700 N Wentworth RD Tucson 85749 520-749-0585
09 R GRAF RANDY 287 W El Nopal Green Valley 85614 520-625-1742
09 R McCLURE MARIAN 1841 N Forty Niner DR Tucson 85749
10 D LOPEZ LINDA 4200 E Benson HWY #P10 Tucson 85706 520-574-1764
10 D SOLTERO VICTOR POB 7752 Tucson 85725 520-623-9549
10 G STRASBURG JACK 31 W Los Reales #221 Tucson 85706 520-573-2041
10 R BENNETT JUDITH 4340 S Av Don Fernando Tucson 85746 520-578-1749
11 D CARDAMONE CARMINE 717 N 7th AVE Tucson 85705 520-792-3503
11 D NORRIS DEBORA POB 3064 Sells 85634 520-383-3557
11 G MOELLER WILLIAM 623 N 10th AVE Tucson 85705 520-624-2107
12 D MOLLOY CRAIG W 34 W Franklin ST Tucson 85701 520-977-7170
12 D NELSON MORT 14711 N Shotgun PL Tucson 85737 520-825-8471
12 R HERSHBERGER PETE 3267 N Anderson Tucson 85716 520-325-5242
12 R HUFFMAN STEVE 3549 W Lenihan LN Tucson 85742 520-744-5950
13 D BARAJAS COLETTE 3938 E Grant RD POB 103 Tucson 85712
13 D DOWNING TED 1402 E Kleindale RD Tucson 85719 520-325-3898
13 D GIFFORDS GABRIELLE POB 26937 Tucson 85726 520-792-9980
13 R PATON JONATHAN 10550 E Sunnywood DR Tucson 85749
13 R SOMERS CAROL 5065 N Placita Diaz Tucson 85718 520-299-0097
14 D DOWNING DEMITRI POB 43877 Tucson 85733-3877 520-954-2089
14 D PICKENS MARION 8743 E 29th ST Tucson 85710 520-296-5908
14 G BOLGER MARY 1232 N 3rd AVE Tucson 85705 520-629-0525
14 R POELSTRA EDWARD POB 50142 Tucson 85703 520-292-2514
15 D GOLDFARB BUNNY 12443 Tigerseye DR Sun City W 85375
15 R BLENDU ROBERT 12704 W SolaNo DR Litchfield Park 85340
15 R GLEASON MIKE 14914 Antelope DR Sun City W 85375 623-546-6601
16 R GRAY LINDA 4535 W Columbine DR Glendale 85304-2325
16 R WEIERS JAMES 16022 N 37th AVE Phoenix 85053 602-993-9775
17 D MADRID RUBEN 5057 N 71st LN Glendale 85303 623-846-2874
17 D THOMAS KEN POB 247 Peoria 85380-0247 623-937-6810
17 R HANSON PHIL 8862 W Karen Lee LN Peoria 85382 623-977-2589
17 R NELSON JOHN 5433 N 106th AVE Glendale 85307 623-872-7215
18 D WOLD VICTORIA POB 817 Phoenix 85001-0817 602-864-6200
18 R GULLETT DEB 140 E Lamar RD Phoenix 85012 602-274-3511
18 R KRAFT JAMES 7808 N 13th AVE Phoenix 85021 602-943-0020
19 R CARPENTER TED POB 9571 Phoenix 85068 623-492-0760
19 R VOSS ROBERTA 4644 W Continental DR Glendale 85308
20 D BROTHERTON BILL 2034 W Windsor Phoenix 85009 602-495-1477
20 D FOSTER KATHI 4036 N 62nd DR Phoenix 85033 623-849-4265
20 R HARAN BOB 6532 N 59th DR Glendale 85301 623-934-9844
21 R COOLEY DEAN 1852 E Lockwood ST Mesa 85203 480-964-0590
21 R JARRETT MARILYN 4228 E Hope ST Mesa 85205 480-641-7765
22 D LOREDO JOHN 2533 N 58th AVE Phoenix 85035
22 D MIRANDA RICHARD 6857 W Virginia Phoenix 85035 623-873-8121
22 R ATKINS JOHN 1047 W Taylor ST Phoenix 85007-2522 602-253-0526
23 D AVELAR CARLOS 104 W Piedmont DR Phoenix 85041 602-819-8368
23 D LANDRUM LEAH 1714 E Carson Phoenix 85040 602-243-6657
23 I NORRIS WILLIAM 4632 E Pollack LN Phoenix 85040 602-438-9450
24 D LARSON LAURIE 1231 E Utopia RD Phoenix 85024 623-434-3842
24 L McDERMOTT TIM 2848 E Cholla Phoenix 85028 602-867-3988
24 R LEFF BARBARA 8641 N 55th PL Paradise Valley 85253
24 R TULLY STEPHEN 4533 E Desert Cove Phoenix 85028 602-494-4270
25 D CHEUVRONT KEN 120 W Coronado Phoenix 85003 602-716-9850
25 D WEASON CHRISTINE 1402 E Osborn #11 Phoenix 85014 602-200-8373
25 G SCUDDER JOHN 131 W Almeria RD Phoenix 85003 602-258-9730
25 L RENZULLI MIKE 4802 N 12th ST #2109 Phoenix 85014 602-266-5723
25 R WHEAT MILTON 1826 W Pierson ST Phoenix 85015 602-265-4958
26 D FITZ-RANDOLPH JOAN POB 101 Scottsdale 85252 480-632-4197
26 G MANDERS ELI 821 S Farmer AVE Tempe 85281 480-317-3826
26 R HATCH-MILLER JEFF POB 80722 Phoenix 85060-0722 602-840-7988
26 R MAY STEVE 2303 N 44th ST #14-1548 Phoenix 85008 602-468-5761
26 I NOTTINGHAM SEAN 2826 E Highland Phoenix 85016 602-954-0598
27 D CAHILL MEG BURTON 1531 E Cedar ST Tempe 85281 480-968-1959
27 R GARDNER MIKE 810 W Diamond Tempe 85283 480-897-0536
27 R KNAPEREK LAURA 2028 E Carmen ST Tempe 85283 480-752-7959
28 D CHIN GINNY 9750 N Monterey DR #32 Fountain Hills 85268
28 R ALLEN CAROLYN POB 6560 Scottsdale 85258 480-998-8349
28 R MARSH WES POB 6594 Scottsdale 85261 480-391-2875
29 R ANDERSON MARK 1727 W Argon ST Mesa 85201 480-649-0451
29 R PEARCE RUSSELL 1247 E Inca Mesa 85203 480-834-6465
30 D FELLNER EILEEN 1822 S 39th ST Casa 17 Mesa 85206 480-497-2109
30 D TONGE LINDA POB 96 Mesa 85211 480-820-1414
30 R FARNSWORTH EDDIE 1126 E Harrison ST Gilbert 85296 480-855-9781
30 R JOHNSON KAREN 1519 E Glade AVE Mesa 85204 480-892-8704

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"those who sacrifice
liberty for security deserve neither"
 
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deanf

New member
Can they legally close a meeting in a public building in AZ?

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"Anyone feel like saluting the flag which the strutting ATF and FBI gleefully raised over the smoldering crematorium of Waco, back in April of ‘93?" -Vin Suprynowicz
 
S

sumabich

Moderator
Any private group can hold closed meetings but Dean brings up an interesting point. Do we have any Municiple administrators out there who could answer that one?
 
L

labgrade

Member In Memoriam
We've (the TRT) run into this in Ft Collins, CO

We (a few TRT-folk) were invited to a meeting with 2 FC LEOs who handed us a triped up "note" from the city attorney laying out course of action/s next time we (TRT) decided to attend an MMM "open meeting."

A crock in most regards.

A follow-up meet with the LEOs AND city attorney will be held shortly. We be getting ducks in a row.

One way to deal with these closed meetings is to just join the commies - en masse - attend their stinkin' meetings.

When a speaker starts, you may ask questions or make a point (till they shut that down entirely), the cops will come & politely ask you to leave. You do. LEOs do. They get back to business & another civic-minded person asks another pointed question. Cops come. you leave. Cops leave.

With 10+ good folk in attendance, you just keep it up. You will never see such exasperated folk in your life. ;)
 
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John/az2

New member
My thoughts exactly. Hi-jack the meeting and disable it's effectiveness through their own tactics, incramentalization (sp?).

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John/az
"When freedom is at stake, your silence is not golden, it's yellow..." RKBA!

See The Legacy of Gun Control film at: www.cphv.com

Do it for the children...
 
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BillX

New member
Ok, how can they have a closed meeting in a public area and how can an elected official be a speaker at a closed meeting?

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David Scott

New member
AZ needs a law like the Florida Sunshine law -- all public business is conducted in the full light of day. No star-chamber sessions. No back room dealing. Sure, some pols still try it, but they can and have been busted for it.
 
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stuckatwork

New member
Actually Arizona does have a sunshine law. All public policey hearings must be done on public. But since the bliss ninnies are not attempting to set public policey, and this meeting is a forum held by a private group, it does not apply. Now if the AG and the police chief were to go into a closed door session and come out with a new regulation that would be unlawful under the State of Arizona Consitution. What we have going on in Pheonix is a group of bliss ninnies preaching to the choir. It will be interesting to see ifthis gets any media coverage and how much it will be blown out of proportion.

My suggestion: crash the party. Ask the tough questions, get kicked out and tell the media that you were discriminated against for asking a question that caused these people to think.



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RickD

Moderator
According to Alan Korwin, the meeting is not closed. He will attend as will I and Angle Shamaya and several others. I am taking vacation time for the purpose.

If they don't let you in, you can protest outside. I suggest you have signs in your car for the purpose. I will.

Rick
 
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Jeff Thomas

New member
Unfortunately, Alan found out differently today.

We're seeing the face of tyranny.

Friends, I ask myself ... if the anti-self defense movement had truth, history and justice on their side, would they need to pull such shenanigans? I say no.

IMHO, this is more evidence of how shallow their movement is. Short term, they may have the support of Democrat lackeys and pacifist foundations, but, long term .... se have a better foundation from which to wage this war.

Now, we need to act smart, raise the funds we need, become activists, and beat these commie mommies at their own game. We need to do it, and we need to do it now ... for the children. And, that's no bull.

Regards from AZ


<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Korwin <alan@bloomfieldpress.com>
To:
Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000
Subject: Napolitano & Hurtt To Discuss Guns in Secret


> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>
> An open letter
>
> To: Statewide news media and personal contacts
>
>
> I am the author of Gun Laws of America, The Arizona Gun Owner's Guide,
> and an acknowledged expert in many areas concerning "gun violence."
>
> I learned today that I will not be allowed to enter the downtown Phoenix
> Public Library where Attorney General Janet Napolitano, and Phoenix
> Police Chief Harold Hurtt, will meet to discuss firearms issues, on
> Monday, Oct. 2, beginning at 2 p.m.
>
> Apparently, persons with an interest in Second Amendment rights are to
> be screened out if identified as such. The organizers refer to this as
> a non-political event, but the gathering is part of a nationwide
> political effort aimed at gun rights Americans have always possessed and
> cherished.
>
> High public officials are meeting at a public location, under a policy
> of discriminatory access. It comes across as a secret meeting with
> impact on fundamental civil rights and liberty.
>
> The announcement I saw was open, in addition to others, to members of
> the Mom's March group, and Citizens of Arizona to Prevent Gun Violence,
> both politically active and known anti-rights groups.
>
> If it is true that members of the Mom's March and anti-rights groups are
> invited and the general public is not, and top law enforcement officials
> will participate in the discussions, it is preposterous. Just what is
> it they do not want the public to hear first hand? Is it proper for the
> Attorney General and Chief of Police to participate in such clandestine
> events, especially when basic human rights are at stake?
>
> To voice your concerns, or inquire about attending yourself:
>
> Phoenix Police Chief Harold Hurtt's office
> can be reached at 602-262-6747.
>
> Attorney General Janet Napolitano's office
> can be reached at 602-542-5025.
>
> Citizens of Arizona to Prevent Gun Violence, a sponsor,
> can be reached at 602-790-8581.
>
> RSVPs are being handled by Scottsdale-based
> "Meetings and More," and they can be reached at
> 480-998-3992 voice, 480-998-7838 fax.
>
> As of late Wednesday, the event organizers reported that attendance was
> light, with only 150 of 299 available seats taken. The announcement I
> received (in addition to a faxed brochure which appears to describe a
> public event), follows:
>
> --------------------------------------
> Dear MMM Central AZ Chapter in formation members,
>
> Citizens of AZ of Prevent Gun Violence have put together a GUN VIOLENCE
> FORUM with Alliance for Justice. It is October 2 at the Nina Mason
> Pulliam Auditorium of the Burton Barr Central Library in Phoenix. Pat
> McMahon of KTAR will be moderator. Speakers include: Chief Harold
> Hurtt/Phx PD--Carol Kamin of Children's Action Alliance--Attorney Genl,
> Janet Napolitano--and many more. The program is CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC. As
> members of MMM you are invited to reserve a seat for yourself or anyone
> you personally know that would like to attend this exciting event.
> OBJECTIVES FOR PROGRAM: Define the gun violence problem in AZ (2) Raise
> awareness of gun violence issues for professionals and the general
> public (3) Generate new and creative ideas to reduce gun violence in AZ
> (4) Encourage partnerships among those attending the Forum. IF YOU ARE
> INTERESTED IN ATTENDING---Please respond directly to:
> janandsteve2@home.com---they need these reservations no later than Weds.
> 9/27/00.
>
> --------------------------------------
>
>
> The easy way:
>
> The dilemmas described in this message dissolve if the organizers decide
> to allow public access, including, as described in their brochure,
> "Individuals interested in learning more about gun violence in Arizona."
>
> I will be out of town and unable to answer phone calls or email until
> Sunday evening, Oct. 1.
>
> Sincerely,
> Alan Korwin, Author
> Bloomfield Press
> "We publish the gun laws"
> 12629 N. Tatum #440
> Phoenix, AZ 85032
> 602-996-4020[/quote]
 
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RickD

Moderator
I, and Alan, stand corrected. ;) I guess we gave them too much credit.

Some of us need to infiltrate (wives and girlfriends). Some need to stand outside and picket (that would be me). And we all need to send short e-mails (and phone calls) to as many media as possible.

Don't you just love it when the antis give us a forum to wake up the sleeping gun owners?

Rick
 
J

Jeff Thomas

New member
I did get into this event today in Phoenix, but I'm going to post my observations in another thread. It was an important meeting to attend, and I look forward to discussing it with you folks.

As an enjoyable aside, Alan Korwin's billboard went up over the weekend, and was visible today as people approached the library. As part of our 'Guns Save Lives' billboard program, this one is just north of the main Phoenix library, and reads 'Self Defense is a Civil Right'! You've gotta love it!

Visit www.gunlaws.com and check out the billboard program. This is something you can do in your town right now! Right now!

Regards from AZ
 
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