Rob Pincus
New member
Hello Everyone.. I stopped by tonight because I was considering posting about a problme I am having, and I noticed the thread about the "dumb" FFL and I wondered if the mood of the responses would be the same in my situation. While I am not considering turning "G" on this guy, what he has done certianly has made me wonder about the possible legal ramifications.
(For the record, I do not subscribe to the "ATF monitors all transmissions and will certainly trace my ISP and contact me about this" Theory.)
What to do when a dealer takes delivery of a rifle which he is supposed to transfer to you and he does not?
The Facts:
Arrangements were made with a distributor to transfer a rifle to me, those arrangements included a stop at an FFL in another state before being shipped to me, presumably for some fine tuning on the trigger.
The distributor shipped the rifle on Jan 27th and has confirmed through UPS that the FFL recieved the shipment. I also have a copy of the Invoice, which clearly shows the intended final recipient and the SR# of the rifle.
The FFL told me in July that he had recieved no Rifle that had been earmarked for me from the distributor.
I have tried at least once a day for the past week (since I got the confirmation of the shipment from the Distributor) to speak with the FFL. He has not returned my calls, nor have his employees been able to tell me what happened to my rifle. I have supplied them with the invoice #, SR # and shipping date.
I had recommended this FFL to a friend back in Jan and he paid for a rifle package (A complete Steyr Scout) at that time. The check was cashed in Feb. There was a signed copy of my friend's local FFL accompanying the check.
As of July, my friend had not heard anything from the FFL. After several weeks of attempted contact, a message was relayed that the FFL in question did have the shipping info for my friend. That Shipping info was supplied again in August.
As of last week, niether rifle had been shipped and the FFL continues to avoid my phone calls.
Question:
Is taking delivery of my rifle, which he did not pay the distributor for and then transferring it to someone else the theft of the Firearm ??
(presumably he did collect a sale price for the actual recipient of the rifle)
Obviously, we all feel a moral pain in the side when it comes to ATF, but I feel a similar pain when it comes to the thought of a civil suit.
Suggestions?
(For the record, I do not subscribe to the "ATF monitors all transmissions and will certainly trace my ISP and contact me about this" Theory.)
What to do when a dealer takes delivery of a rifle which he is supposed to transfer to you and he does not?
The Facts:
Arrangements were made with a distributor to transfer a rifle to me, those arrangements included a stop at an FFL in another state before being shipped to me, presumably for some fine tuning on the trigger.
The distributor shipped the rifle on Jan 27th and has confirmed through UPS that the FFL recieved the shipment. I also have a copy of the Invoice, which clearly shows the intended final recipient and the SR# of the rifle.
The FFL told me in July that he had recieved no Rifle that had been earmarked for me from the distributor.
I have tried at least once a day for the past week (since I got the confirmation of the shipment from the Distributor) to speak with the FFL. He has not returned my calls, nor have his employees been able to tell me what happened to my rifle. I have supplied them with the invoice #, SR # and shipping date.
I had recommended this FFL to a friend back in Jan and he paid for a rifle package (A complete Steyr Scout) at that time. The check was cashed in Feb. There was a signed copy of my friend's local FFL accompanying the check.
As of July, my friend had not heard anything from the FFL. After several weeks of attempted contact, a message was relayed that the FFL in question did have the shipping info for my friend. That Shipping info was supplied again in August.
As of last week, niether rifle had been shipped and the FFL continues to avoid my phone calls.
Question:
Is taking delivery of my rifle, which he did not pay the distributor for and then transferring it to someone else the theft of the Firearm ??
(presumably he did collect a sale price for the actual recipient of the rifle)
Obviously, we all feel a moral pain in the side when it comes to ATF, but I feel a similar pain when it comes to the thought of a civil suit.
Suggestions?
