xraymongral
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After browsing this thread, and in light of a thread by myself, I thought a little followup was neccesary.
After reading many of the responsis to these threads involving Isreal, it is at the least very entertaining to see the depth of ignorance displayed by many on the topic of Israel/Palistine. Not the fault of many, they believe the mainstream press, or were brain washed by the military to beliveing Israels importance. Now a few facts:
1. The only reason we need Israel to be our friend in the middle east is because we alinated almost every other middle eastern nation by supporting Israel. Take Israel out of the picture, and there is not the anti-American animosity. Granted, there will be disdain over our society, more so amoungst Islamic radicals. By the way, the Palistinian issue has spurned the vast majority of the radical Islamic groups, without whom, there would be more peace.
2. The rest of the world, outside of the US and England, realises the "domestic" terrorism that Israel has practiced against Palistiniens.
3. Jews and Muslims lived in reasonable peace until Israel was granted Independance by England in 1947. The Jews were then given arms, while the Palistinians were left with little to defend themselves with.
4. Probably most significant point at the moment, you notice Usama Bin Ladin invoking the Palistinian cause. Why? Because evry single Muslim will support the cause of Palistinian freedom. Israel is across the board regarded as a "cancer" in the middle east that needs to be cured. Similer to our attitude about cancer, we will seek a cure until the cancer is gone.
5. There are actually Jews in Israel and abroad that do not support Israels treatment of Palistinians. They want a end to the violance regardless if Israel has to give up land or control. Will they be labled "anti-semetic" as I am sure many of you have labled me?
If you are interested in reality, start reading some foriegn news papers, or reading forign news websites. Also, if you have any friends from foriegn lands, if you can, talk to them about Israel, in a frank, non-biased manner. You may learn alot from them.
Myself, I have worked with, roomed with and have middle eastern friends. They are not all Muslim, many are Catholic. But the sentiment is the same, From Palistinian to Pakistani to North African. No U.S. support of Israel, no anti-U.S. sentiment. Also worth noteing, evryone supports peace. I mentioned to a Syrian co-worker the fact that the media is attempting to make a case for causes of the terrorism besides US relationship with Israel, he got a big belly laugh from what the media is doing.
I also have had the aquantence of many people that were Jewish as friends or room mates. It is funny that one Jewish friend of mine was room mates with a Palistinian. They both were in agrement of the wrong doings by both sides, and that peace is possible...if Israel is willing to make a few small concesions to the Palistinians, and if the Palistinians can seperate themselves from the radical Islamic groups.(Not all Palistinians are Islamic)
Now, as to why we "needed" relations with Israel. During the cold war, it allowed us acces to captured communist block weapons. It was also a front of sorts against the Russin supplied Arabs. Israel also allowed us a post that was somewhat close to Russian controlled territories/countries. A good place to test new weapons in combat situations. When Israel defeated Russian supplied troops with US supplied weapons, it was a definite moral boost to U.S. citizens. We also lost a ship to Israelie terrorism towards the Untied States. What a shame we didn't take Israel over after that happened. Well, the cold war is done with, and so is our need for Israel.
Should we back away from Israel now? Probably not, we should not allow ourselves to be bullied into doing anything. Should we re-evalueate our longterm stratagy in regards to Israel, and how we can start reducing suppert for Israel? Yes.
Anyways, just another injection of reality for the board. I know I will be labled "anti-semetic" by the ignorant, but I have not a single issue with a persons faith. Only issue I have is when a orginization trys to use that "faith" to manipulate or harm others.
Flame away.....
After reading many of the responsis to these threads involving Isreal, it is at the least very entertaining to see the depth of ignorance displayed by many on the topic of Israel/Palistine. Not the fault of many, they believe the mainstream press, or were brain washed by the military to beliveing Israels importance. Now a few facts:
1. The only reason we need Israel to be our friend in the middle east is because we alinated almost every other middle eastern nation by supporting Israel. Take Israel out of the picture, and there is not the anti-American animosity. Granted, there will be disdain over our society, more so amoungst Islamic radicals. By the way, the Palistinian issue has spurned the vast majority of the radical Islamic groups, without whom, there would be more peace.
2. The rest of the world, outside of the US and England, realises the "domestic" terrorism that Israel has practiced against Palistiniens.
3. Jews and Muslims lived in reasonable peace until Israel was granted Independance by England in 1947. The Jews were then given arms, while the Palistinians were left with little to defend themselves with.
4. Probably most significant point at the moment, you notice Usama Bin Ladin invoking the Palistinian cause. Why? Because evry single Muslim will support the cause of Palistinian freedom. Israel is across the board regarded as a "cancer" in the middle east that needs to be cured. Similer to our attitude about cancer, we will seek a cure until the cancer is gone.
5. There are actually Jews in Israel and abroad that do not support Israels treatment of Palistinians. They want a end to the violance regardless if Israel has to give up land or control. Will they be labled "anti-semetic" as I am sure many of you have labled me?
If you are interested in reality, start reading some foriegn news papers, or reading forign news websites. Also, if you have any friends from foriegn lands, if you can, talk to them about Israel, in a frank, non-biased manner. You may learn alot from them.
Myself, I have worked with, roomed with and have middle eastern friends. They are not all Muslim, many are Catholic. But the sentiment is the same, From Palistinian to Pakistani to North African. No U.S. support of Israel, no anti-U.S. sentiment. Also worth noteing, evryone supports peace. I mentioned to a Syrian co-worker the fact that the media is attempting to make a case for causes of the terrorism besides US relationship with Israel, he got a big belly laugh from what the media is doing.
I also have had the aquantence of many people that were Jewish as friends or room mates. It is funny that one Jewish friend of mine was room mates with a Palistinian. They both were in agrement of the wrong doings by both sides, and that peace is possible...if Israel is willing to make a few small concesions to the Palistinians, and if the Palistinians can seperate themselves from the radical Islamic groups.(Not all Palistinians are Islamic)
Now, as to why we "needed" relations with Israel. During the cold war, it allowed us acces to captured communist block weapons. It was also a front of sorts against the Russin supplied Arabs. Israel also allowed us a post that was somewhat close to Russian controlled territories/countries. A good place to test new weapons in combat situations. When Israel defeated Russian supplied troops with US supplied weapons, it was a definite moral boost to U.S. citizens. We also lost a ship to Israelie terrorism towards the Untied States. What a shame we didn't take Israel over after that happened. Well, the cold war is done with, and so is our need for Israel.
Should we back away from Israel now? Probably not, we should not allow ourselves to be bullied into doing anything. Should we re-evalueate our longterm stratagy in regards to Israel, and how we can start reducing suppert for Israel? Yes.
Anyways, just another injection of reality for the board. I know I will be labled "anti-semetic" by the ignorant, but I have not a single issue with a persons faith. Only issue I have is when a orginization trys to use that "faith" to manipulate or harm others.
Flame away.....