A cautionary tale...

Mendocino

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By Robert A. Waters - 06.23.00 Robert A. Waters

You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your
bedroom door. Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with
fear, you hear muffled whispers. At least two people
have broken into your house and are moving your way.
With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your
bed and pick up your shotgun. You rack a shell into
the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it. In
the darkness, you make out two shadows. One holds a
weapon--it looks like a crowbar. When the intruder
brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun
and fire. The blast knocks both thugs to the floor.
One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to
the front door and lurches outside. As you pick up the
telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.

In your country, most guns were outlawed years before,
and the few that are privately owned are so intently
regulated as to make them useless. Yours was never
registered. Police arrive and inform you that the
second burglar has died. They arrest you for First
Degree Murder and Illegal Possession of a Firearm.

When you talk to your attorney, he tells you not to
worry: authorities will probably plea the case down to
manslaughter. What kind of sentence will I get?" you
ask. "Only ten-to-twelve years," he replies, as if
that's nothing. "Behave yourself, and you'll be out in
seven."

The next day, the shooting is the lead story in the
local newspaper. Somehow, you're portrayed as an
eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are
represented as choirboys. Their friends and relatives
can't find an unkind word to say about them. Buried
deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that
both "victims" have been arrested numerous times. But
the next day's headline says it all: "Lovable Rogue
Son Didn't Deserve to Die." The thieves have been
transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type
pranksters.

As the days wear on, the story takes wings. The
national media picks it up, then the international
media. The surviving burglar has become a folk hero.
Your attorney says the thief is preparing to sue you,
and he'll probably win. The media publishes reports
that your home has been burglarized several times in
the past and that you've been critical of

local police for their lack of effort in apprehending
the suspects. After the last break-in, you told your
neighbor that you would be prepared next time. The
District Attorney uses this to allege that you were
lying in wait for the burglars.

A few months later, you go to trial. The charges
haven't been reduced, as your lawyer had so
confidently predicted. When you take the stand, your
anger at the injustice of it all works against you.
Prosecutors paint a picture of you as a mean, vengeful
man. It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you
of all charges. The judge sentences you to life in
prison.

This case really happened. On August 22, 1999, Tony
Martin of Emneth, Norfolk, England, killed one burglar
and wounded a second. In April, 2000, he was convicted
and is now serving a life term. How did it become a
crime to defend one's own life in the once great
British Empire? It started with the Pistols Act of
1903. This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling
pistols to minors or felons and established that
handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a
license. The Firearms Act of 1920 Expanded licensing
to include not only handguns but all firearms except
shotguns. Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed
the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and
mandated the registration of all shotguns. Momentum
for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after
the Hungerford mass shooting in 1987.

Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed man with a
Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting
everyone he saw. When the smoke cleared, 17 people
were dead. The British public, already de-sensitized
by eighty years of "gun control", demanded even
tougher restrictions. (The seizure of all privately
owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used
a rifle.) Nine years later, at Dunblane, Scotland,
Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder
16 children and a teacher at a public school. For many
years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as
mentally unstable, or worse, criminals. Now the press
had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun
owners.

Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all
pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on
all handguns. The Dunblane Inquiry, a few months
later, sealed the fate of the few sidearms still owned
by private citizens. During the years in which the
British government incrementally took away most gun
rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to
armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism.
Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people
who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was no
longer considered a reason to own a gun. Citizens who
shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while
the real criminals were released.

Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman
was quoted as saying, "We cannot have people take the
law into their own hands." All of Martin's neighbors
had been robbed numerous times, and several elderly
people were severely injured in beatings by young
thugs who had no fear of the consequences. Martin
himself, a collector of antiques, had seen most of his
collection trashed or stolen by burglars. When the
Dunblane Inquiry ended, citizens who owned handguns
were given three months to turn them over to local
authorities. Being good British subjects, most people
obeyed the law.

The few who didn't were visited by police and
threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they
didn't comply. Police later bragged that they'd taken
nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens. How did
the authorities know who had handguns? The guns had
been registered and licensed. Kinda like cars. Sound
familiar?

WAKE UP AMERICA, THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT
THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION. "..it does
not require a majority to prevail, but rather an
irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in
people's minds.."

--Samuel Adams



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It is far better to dare mighty things, though riddled with failure, than to live in the dull grey of mediocrity.
 

Dangus

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Every person in jail in England for such things I consider a shining example of how astray our system could go. Did you hear Fienstien speaking at the DNC? She wants less guns and MORE cops. Hmm, but she thinks guns cause the problem? Well, she's putting a LOT more guns out on the street, in the hands of officers, and also, if she's removing firearms from the streets, shouldn't that mean they will automatically be safer and not need the police? The hypocrasy is absolutely stunning. We must never surrender to these people. Fienstein is the enemy of free will.

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 

TheBluesMan

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Mendocino

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Thanks TBM,

My wife forarded this to me from a hunting group, I thought it might be Bestdefense357, good show Robert!
 

TexasVet

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Someone needs to teach the Brits the "Three S Strategy" Shoot, Shovel, Shut Up!

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true story, a Union Col. once said "Don't worry about those Rebs. They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..SPLAT.
 

MrBigglesworth

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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk, England, killed one burglar and wounded a second.[/quote]

God forbid we should protect our homes. Even if it had been with a legal firearm there would still be one dead! The logic just OOZES!

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Try to take away my gun...and you will see my 2nd Amendment Right in ACTION!!! -Me

FOR THE CHILDREN!!!!
 

EnochGale

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That UK guy also had a lot of problems with his big mouth that got him in trouble.

His actions may be reasonable but he is a good case to study on how not to act and talk.

You may disagree but he could have had a stronger case. Pragmmatics suck sometimes.

[This message has been edited by EnochGale (edited August 16, 2000).]
 

The Lone Ranger

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The guy doesn't deserve the hero worship he is getting.

After a family argument he went round to his brother's house armed with a shotgun and shot out the windows.

After another family argument he discharged a pistol out of a window killing a pigeon.

On another occasion he fired a shotgun at kids scrumping for apples.

He finally shot up a delivery truck.

His prior history shows his instability and as a result of his behaviour he lost his shotgun and firearms certificate.

As to the events at Bleak House. The account he gave the police doesn't match the physical evidence. He claims to have fired one shot from the stairs, forensics indicates he fired several shots advancing toward the two men. The burgular claims that after the first shot they were trying to surrender but he kept firing. The forensic evidence backs up the account of the burgular not his own.

Having wounded the two burgulars he left one of them to bleed to death, the other to crawl for help. I have little sympathy for the two but when they were no longer a threat he should have sought medical assistance for them. Instead he fled and attempted to conceal what was an illegal firearm.

The national media, in particular the tabloids have thrown their weight behind the Free Tony Martin campaign. The two burgulars have been treat as the scum they are, they have not been eulogised.

Tony Martin does not represent an example of someone who has used firearms responsibly, he does not truly represent a case of legitimate self defence (I agree he had the right to defend himself but no to act as judge, jury and executioner).

British gun laws stink. They are stupid, vindictive, bureaucratic and unfairly penalise legitimate gun owners.

However, making a hero out of this guy is twisting the facts. Isn't that something we leave to the advocates of gun control?

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"Quemadmoeum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
("A sword is never a killer, it's a tool in the killer's hands.") -
Lucius Annaeus Seneca "the Younger" (ca. 4 BC-65 AD).
 

Dangus

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HE may deserve to be in jail, but the sad fact is there are people who do not, that for similar "crimes" have been imprisoned.

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I twist the facts until they tell the truth. -Some intellectual sadist

The Bill of Rights is a document of brilliance, a document of wisdom, and it is the ultimate law, spoken or not, for the very concept of a society that holds liberty above the desire for ever greater power. -Me
 

Herodotus

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Enoch, Lone Ranger:
I cannot agree with the proposition that the justice of one's case is dependent upon "how one talked", unless of course, the courts there are fit only for kangaroos.
If this man had indeed committed any crimes in the past, the government should have prosecuted him for them on their merits, not tacked them on as hearsay in order to convict him of a totally unrelated alleged offense. The use of such tactics normally indicates a very weak case by the government. Many would throw the conviction out on pure legal principle if they found that such contrivences where used by the state in obtaining a conviction.
This is not a technicality, it is a consideration of the good of the whole.
 

paratrooper

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They broke into his house at night with weapons . They deserved to die like the dogs that they were .Just ask yourself one question with no B.S. about it . What would they have done to him if he were unarmed and attempted to make them leave ?
His ONLY mistake was opening his pie hole . Shoulda shot , shoulda shoveled , shoulda shut the F*** up . He HAD to know the consequences of doing what he did and then blabbing about it . He may be an idiot but IMHO he is an innocent idiot .

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The Lone Ranger

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The main reason he was convicted was because the forensic evidence conflicted with his account.

I agree that the hearsay evidence should not have been admitted, he had a big mouth sure but that didn't make him guilty. However, the history of his abuse of firearms in a reckless manner was not released until after the trial. That at least was suppressed.

I also agree that there are many examples of cases where the individual should never have been charged. An obvious example was the case where an elderly gentleman defended himself with a sword stick. He used a weapon in the face of a clear and imminent threat from a physically stronger attacker. He should never have been charged nor convicted. Cases like these should never have happened.

But the case against Tony Martin isn't one of these, so why try and make it one? Leave the lies and misinformation to the antis.

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"Quemadmoeum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
("A sword is never a killer, it's a tool in the killer's hands.") -
Lucius Annaeus Seneca "the Younger" (ca. 4 BC-65 AD).
 
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