Rob Pincus
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Has anyone had any experience with, or exposure to, this round?
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Rob Pincus
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I don't know much about it, I'm being sent a demo rifle and a handful of rounds next week. I wanted to see if anyone here had a "heads up" on it. Precision Shooter doesn't sound like the right venue for the round I am getting, but who knows...
This is a .45 cal, 230 gr bullet moving at 3300 fps from a modified AR. I believe it is going to be a .308 lower.. but I'll be sure to post details here once I know more.
The system is being marketed by the developer as an urban counter-sniper or protection overwatch round ...lots of penetration.
(Thanks Correia, I think I am going to be able to spend more time in the forums, at least for the time being. Glad to know that I brought in at least one good member.. Of course, you were probably lurking and just couldn't resist the urge to start posting and telling me how wrong I was
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This is a .45 cal, 230 gr bullet moving at 3300 fps from a modified AR. I believe it is going to be a .308 lower.. but I'll be sure to post details here once I know more.
The system is being marketed by the developer as an urban counter-sniper or protection overwatch round ...lots of penetration.
(Thanks Correia, I think I am going to be able to spend more time in the forums, at least for the time being. Glad to know that I brought in at least one good member.. Of course, you were probably lurking and just couldn't resist the urge to start posting and telling me how wrong I was
)Rob Pincus
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I would be very interested in a copy of the article.
Thanks
Thanks
It is basically a .284 Win case chopped off and loaded with a 230 gr. .45 ACP bullet. Looks like the .450 Marlin. One thing they talked about in the artical was the need to use differetn/special metals to make the barrel. It also sounded like the guy was still messing around with that issue. I was definatly put off by that.
Rob Pincus
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I have gathered that engineer involved in the development of the rifle has a background in metallurgy. I haven't heard anything about the barrel itself being exotic or outrageously expensive. In fact, the price I was told the rifle should (eventually) sell to the public for would place it in the same range as an Armalite .308.
Rob, don't blow yourself up!
Wasn't there an article on "The Guns of LeMag" in the Guns & Ammo 2000 Annual? (Hey, my stepfather sent it to me!) I believe it mentioned this caliber. I seem to recall that none of the "guns of LeMag" functioned very well for the author, but I could be wrong.
Wasn't there an article on "The Guns of LeMag" in the Guns & Ammo 2000 Annual? (Hey, my stepfather sent it to me!) I believe it mentioned this caliber. I seem to recall that none of the "guns of LeMag" functioned very well for the author, but I could be wrong.
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KilgorII
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YIKES!
230 grain @ 3,300 fps? That's 5561 ft/lbs of energy.
As a comparison, the .375 H&H moves a 235 grain bullet @ 2,900 fps for 4,388 ft/lbs.
And THIS is to be shot from a AR-10 .308 frame??? The .308 moves a 200 grain bullet @ 2,400 fps for only 2,558 ft/lbs.
NO THANK YOU.
Kilgor
230 grain @ 3,300 fps? That's 5561 ft/lbs of energy.
As a comparison, the .375 H&H moves a 235 grain bullet @ 2,900 fps for 4,388 ft/lbs.
And THIS is to be shot from a AR-10 .308 frame??? The .308 moves a 200 grain bullet @ 2,400 fps for only 2,558 ft/lbs.
NO THANK YOU.
Kilgor
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KilgorII
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The more I think about it...
...the more I think you must have mistyped. You sure you don't mean a 230 grain bullet @ 2,300 fps for 2,701 ft/lbs? That puts it inline with the .308 winchester. That's still a mean, short/medium range antipersonel round.
Intel6,
I think he was joking around.
Kilgor
...the more I think you must have mistyped. You sure you don't mean a 230 grain bullet @ 2,300 fps for 2,701 ft/lbs? That puts it inline with the .308 winchester. That's still a mean, short/medium range antipersonel round.
Intel6,
I think he was joking around.
Kilgor
Ruben Nasser
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It's a 230gr @ 2800 fps...
Please go to:
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=15789
The conversion is based on an AR15!!! There was a lenghty discussion by respected Dr. Faber (Fabrique Scientific - http://www.mcs.net/~sfaber/) on the strengh analysis of the bolt. It was adequate, but long term performance was unknown. I can't find the free on-line article on http://www.tacticalshooter.com anymore (the name has changed to "the accurate rifle").
Please go to:
http://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=15789
The conversion is based on an AR15!!! There was a lenghty discussion by respected Dr. Faber (Fabrique Scientific - http://www.mcs.net/~sfaber/) on the strengh analysis of the bolt. It was adequate, but long term performance was unknown. I can't find the free on-line article on http://www.tacticalshooter.com anymore (the name has changed to "the accurate rifle").
George Hill
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You could kick up the velocity with a 165 grain bullet - maybe to 3,300.
Rob Pincus
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Well, the rifle is sitting about 2 feet from my keyboard and I'm about to go out to the range, with Chrony. So we will know soon. I am told by the people thinking of bringing the gun and ammo to the mass market that it is 230 gr @ 3300 FPS. They're "pitch" is that it is the LE/MIL answer to 50 BMG performance at the size, wieght, function and cost of a AR. Of course, they don't mean literally 50 BMG performance.. what they mean is that I should see the practical upside of 50 BMG (penetration, pentration, and..uh, penetration.) without the downside (single shot, heavy wieght and or extrodinary cost, heavy wieght). Furthermore, this round can be "downloaded", whereas there isn't much 50-Lite ammo. In theory, you could drop mag and be loaded up with 17 rounds of frangible loads in a matter of seconds. One neat thing, the AR is a standard .223 lower and the round is fed from standard mags!
More later....
More later....