.44 bounces off hog skull WARNING!!!

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hogdogs

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WARNING!!! THE FOLLOWING VIDEO HAS SOME POTTY MOUTH WORDS!!!!
For anyone who wishes to claim to know ANYTHING about what rounds to use on a charging hog, I present the following video.
The cuss words are pretty justified as the .44 rounds bounced off a small hog.
Now ya'll see why I will use nothing under .30-30 in c-fire rifle but prefer the blunt force trauma that a shotgun slug offers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI0l29YGA-c&feature=related
Brent
 
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hogdogs

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For the wild stuff I catch, I have the liberty to just put a pellet rifle or .22lr barrel over into the cake and pop them at a perfect 90* degree angle and it makes a right fine little hole right into the "think tank". I never woulda thunk a .44 would bounce off from under 6 feet like that though... specially on a small pig that don't even warrant the term "hog" in the hog dogger world.
Brent
 
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MLeake

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Informative video...

... and useful, but would have been more so if the .44 bullets being used had been identified. Saw a guy make a mess using 240gr JHP (mess = wounded hog that almost got away)... I wonder what would have happened with HC.

That said, I hope the antis don't find the video. The guys laughing at the wounded hog aggravated me, and I hunt every so often. I can just imagine my sister's response...
 
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Daryl

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No way for me to know, but my guess is Speer Gold Dot bullets or the equivalent (probably about 180-200 grain) loaded in .44 special cases, or to .44 special velocities.

If that had been a heavy JSP instead of a fragile hollow point, and loaded to top velocity, it would have been a different story I'm thinkin'.

Ditto for a good cast bullet.

I've shot a lot of various stuff with 300 grain JSP's from my .45 Colt Vaquero, and the bullets don't do that. They'll shatter solid rock as big as a basketball.

Who knows though? I've seen some strange things happen to bullets over the years.

Daryl
 
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SAIGAFISH

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Ya you are right that bullet was fully mushroomed huh.
Hogs do have a pretty thick scull plate thow i think the
kill shot from the front is farly low in between snout and brow
but im not real sure .no hogs in oregon,thank you jebus
 
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Yithian

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And you guys and gals didn't believe me when I said I bounced a 30-30 LeveRevolution off a grow sows head at 10 feet!

Now I stick with semiautomatics. More bullets downrange is a good thing.
 
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Double Naught Spy

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I believe that if you look closely, you will see that the "bullet" is just a jacket. Check out the video when they zoom in on it on the ground and will will see a split nearly to the base and no lead showing. Jackets sometimes strip off when entering hard materials.
 
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Dragon55

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When I was growing up 'out in the sticks' I used to help this old guy kill hogs for people. They paid him to kill, gut, and hang them up.

Anyway. he always used a little .22 bolt action after I got one hemmed up for him. He would put the muzzle an inch or so below the eyes and the hog would drop straight down.

Once, he had a little automatic of some kind.... I'm guessing a .25?? Anyway when he shot this old sow it just made her mad. He said, "Boy, go get that rifle from the truck".
30 minutes later when I had finally corralled her again he dropped her as always.

.......... Also, although these folks paid him for this task it was sort of traditional for them to give him a good size slab of the tenderloin. He also gave me a couple of these at days end. This was better than the money he paid me.

Ahh for the good ol' days.
 
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Hawg

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I once saw a guy shoot a hog with a 30-30. She charged him and he just stood there cranking rounds out of that 30-30 til she fell dead at his feet. He hit her six times.
 
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MLeake

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freedom475

Your round of choice wasn't the issue. Your post had made it seem like .22LR was a superior penetrator over a 9mm. You were making an apples and oranges comparison, though; 9mm from frontal between the eyes, vs a butcher's shot with a .22 through the side of the head.

The 9mm would have worked from that position, too. I think that's why you caught flack on that thread. Neither one is a good hunting round for hogs, but either can work in very limited circumstances. It is very dependent on your ability to put the round consistently in a particular area of the head.

The frontal plate isn't a good idea for most handguns, and apparently for some rifles, too.
 
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freakshow10mm

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It's easy to speculate about cartridge choice but the bullet selection is one I'm more concerned about.

A 150gr 30-30 from a rifle has 1903fpe and the 170gr has 1774fpe. The 240gr jacketed bullet from a 44 pistol has 1334fpe and the 300gr has 1170fpe. There is roughly a 575-600fpe difference in muzzle energy. The .44 Magnum is well respected as the big game handgun cartridge. I don't think the cartridge is to blame here, it's the bullet choice.
 
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MLeake

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FPE isn't the end all...

... if it were, then a 180gr JHP would spank a 305gr HC out of a .44mag. FPE is affected more by velocity than mass.

Penetration is affected more by shape, hardness, and sectional density. The 305gr hammerhead HC I use in a .44 will easily outpenetrate a 240JHP or JSP.

So I agree with Freakshow that it can be more about bullet construction than cartridge selection, but I'm a bit confused by the bullet choices in his example.
 
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