Surfing the net yesterday and found a 410 gauge shotgun based on the AR15. It is manufactured in Turkey by Safir Arms. The web site is www.safirarms.com.
Has anyone seen one?
Has anyone seen one?
410 gauge AR 15
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chris in va
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That's the first I've heard of that. Thought the Saiga was the only thing like that.
I don't know how they can claim "700m/s" from a 410 though. That's some hot ammo!
I don't know how they can claim "700m/s" from a 410 though. That's some hot ammo!
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They want a THOUSAND DOLLARS for one. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH...
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ATI / T14 AR15 STYLE .410 SHOTGUN
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SAFIR T14 410 SHOTGUN, IMPORTED BY ATI,VERY UNUSUAL AR15 STYLE,HARD TO FIND... 2 6ROUND MAGS...please ask any questions before bidding...Thanks
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ATI / T14 AR15 STYLE .410 SHOTGUN
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15 minute rule Location LEVITTOWN, PA 19054
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Started 2/18/2009 10:52:13 PM ET (This is a 7 day auction)
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The first thing that struck me, though, was cost of feeding the little beast. .410 ammo is not cheap. Those Winchester slugs at 1830 fps are a buck a piece. Shotshells for the .410 are generally as expensive 12 ga. or even a bit more expensive.
Might be fun, though, to see those little hulls popping out of that gun.
Pete
Me, neither. The highest velocity that I have seen published for .410 ammo is for slugs at 1830 fps. 700m/s is over 2100 fps. Whose ammo is that?
The first thing that struck me, though, was cost of feeding the little beast. .410 ammo is not cheap. Those Winchester slugs at 1830 fps are a buck a piece. Shotshells for the .410 are generally as expensive 12 ga. or even a bit more expensive.
Might be fun, though, to see those little hulls popping out of that gun.
Pete
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11 410's in an enclosed space within 10-15 feet would be pretty effective nonetheless....
but more of a luxury rather than a necessity, especially with that kind of price tag
but more of a luxury rather than a necessity, especially with that kind of price tag
"What in the heck would you use a 410 gauge shotgun for? Dangerous dragonflies, marauding moths, overly-aggressive hummingbirds? One more thing, where would you find ammo for a 410 gauge?"
I rarely hunt doves or quail with anything other than my 11-48 .410. .410 CALIBER ammo is widely available.
I rarely hunt doves or quail with anything other than my 11-48 .410. .410 CALIBER ammo is widely available.
When I first started hunting doves, which is a HUGE deal in many parts of the rural South, I went to an opening day hunt on a friend's farm. I drew a stand next to Old Man Cornwall.
Mr. Cornwall hunted with an old Winchester 412. The Model 412 was a scaled down version of the famous Winchester Model 12 in .410.
Being a kid, and new to shotgunning, I was loaded up with with my father's 12 gauge and 5 (count them) boxes of ammo. The legal limit for doves was 12 birds. But doves can fly at 60mph, and often do it in something more than a predictable path. They are not easy prey.
As Mr. Cornwall and I walked to our stands, I asked him a few questions.
"What gauge is that little shotgun, Mr. Cornwall?"
"It's a four-ten, son."
"You expect to hit anything with it?"
"I wouldn't be here with it if I didn't."
"Where's your ammo?"
"In my pocket."
"How much did you bring?"
"Twelve shells."
"Is that all??"
"Well, the limit is twelve birds, son."
At that point, I didn't want to make the man feel like a fool, so I shut up and walked over to my stand. That afternoon, I shot three and a half boxes of 12 gauge shells and my shoulder was sore. But those 87 shells earned me 10 birds.
As the sun started setting, we headed back to the farmhouse. We tallied up the birds, and I was surprised to see Mr. Cornwall had twelve birds. At this point, I realized that Mr. Cornwall must be something of a good shot. This time, because I didn't want to make myself feel like a fool, I didn't say anything.
Later on, I told my friend's father what I had witnessed. I can hear his reply to this day as if he had just repeated it moments ago. He said, "That's the only gun Old Man Cornwall owns. You should never doubt a man that only owns one gun. He probably knows how to use it."
Don't sell the .410 short. It is a very effective round in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing.
Mr. Cornwall hunted with an old Winchester 412. The Model 412 was a scaled down version of the famous Winchester Model 12 in .410.
Being a kid, and new to shotgunning, I was loaded up with with my father's 12 gauge and 5 (count them) boxes of ammo. The legal limit for doves was 12 birds. But doves can fly at 60mph, and often do it in something more than a predictable path. They are not easy prey.
As Mr. Cornwall and I walked to our stands, I asked him a few questions.
"What gauge is that little shotgun, Mr. Cornwall?"
"It's a four-ten, son."
"You expect to hit anything with it?"
"I wouldn't be here with it if I didn't."
"Where's your ammo?"
"In my pocket."
"How much did you bring?"
"Twelve shells."
"Is that all??"
"Well, the limit is twelve birds, son."
At that point, I didn't want to make the man feel like a fool, so I shut up and walked over to my stand. That afternoon, I shot three and a half boxes of 12 gauge shells and my shoulder was sore. But those 87 shells earned me 10 birds.
As the sun started setting, we headed back to the farmhouse. We tallied up the birds, and I was surprised to see Mr. Cornwall had twelve birds. At this point, I realized that Mr. Cornwall must be something of a good shot. This time, because I didn't want to make myself feel like a fool, I didn't say anything.
Later on, I told my friend's father what I had witnessed. I can hear his reply to this day as if he had just repeated it moments ago. He said, "That's the only gun Old Man Cornwall owns. You should never doubt a man that only owns one gun. He probably knows how to use it."
Don't sell the .410 short. It is a very effective round in the hands of someone who knows what they are doing.
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You know these people who knock the 410 have not yet taken me up on an offer I made them. If the 410 won't hurt anything then let me take a couple of shots at them and prove to me once and for all that it will not hurt. They don't seem to be as willing with their actions and they are with their words.
I have hunted and will continue to hunt small game and javelina with my 410's. I do own larger shotguns but they are for different activities.
I have hunted and will continue to hunt small game and javelina with my 410's. I do own larger shotguns but they are for different activities.
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