.338 Lapua?

[imp]

I've read a number of threads referencing this caliber lately, and I'm just not getting it. Are there a lot of moose snipers out there that don't take shots less than 1500 yards? Does it have a practical application other than punching paper at long range?

I guess the reason I'm really confused is, why not the .50 bmg? It can't be any more expensive than the wallet burning Lapua, its got more downrange energy, and has a history of long range accuracy.

I'm all in favor of owning whatever you want, I just want help with why someone would want a .338 Lapua.

 

[precision_shooter]

Better ballistic coefficient in .338 = better long range accuracy. .50 BMG is great, but for even more extended ranges the .338 is a better choice.

 

[kraigwy]

Everything else being the same, using the 300 grn SMK, the 338 Lapua remains super sonic to 2000 yards. The 338 Win Mag remains super sonic to 1800 yards.

How many here can constantly hit an 18 inch target consistantly at 1800 yards? Not many, I certainly can't. So what advantage is there to shooting a couple hundred yards farther.

I'm sure the extra recol of the Lapua isn't going to help you get that extra yardage.

Now look at the cost between the two, Rifle, Ammo, or components to load the round.

Makes you wonder if people don't buy the Lapua just to feed their egos.

 

[Romeo 33 Delta]

I had a chance buy this one a bunch of years back. The smith had built three. Two for some SWAT outfit and the third for himself ... just 'cause he was building some. He played with it for a while and then I bought it. Here are some pics. I have it set up with a Redfield Palma rear and Redfield front sight as well as a Horus Vision 4-16 X 50. This is a BIG, HEAVY rifle and because of that, the recoil isn't much over a "stout" .30-06.

I certainly cannot shoot up to the rifle's potential ... but that didn't stop me from buying it. Once a year, 50 rounds, it's fun, but too many guns ... never enough time!

First pic, 5 rounds of .338 Lapua next to a 7.62 X 51 NATO for comparison.

 

[fatwhiteboy]

I had a chance to shoot a friend's Remington Model 700 in .338 Lapua. It came with a muzzle brake. It seemed to have less recoil than my son's Model 70 in .300 WinMag...

 

[trg42wraglefragle]

Does it have a practical application other than punching paper at long range?

Yes shooting people.
They longest confirmed sniper kill has been made with 338 Lapua.

 

[kraigwy]

The difference between the 280 & 338 Lapula is more then "close".

With the 280 you don't get beat to death, I don't care who you are after a while recoil WILL GET TO YOU.

And:

The difference in cost of the two rounds means more shooting for the 280, more practice gives you a better chance to hit the target at extended and close ranges.

An example, I can go through my score books for 1000 yard matches. The first 10 strings using my 300 WM wasn't bad but taper off during the second string.

Using the M1A in service rifle, my score remain pretty constant through the 20 shot match.

I just don't get wore out shooting a lighter round and end up shooting better scores.

 

[jmr40]

One of my brothers in law had a custom 338 Lapua built for elk hunting. While a 280 may shoot as flat, it won't do it with 250 gr bullets. He has taken several mule deer and elk at ranges around 700 yards.

Not my cup of tea, but he likes it and is good with it.

 

[imp]

You can take mule deer and elk at 700 yards with a 7mag or 300wm. .338 lapua by the numbers is almost in the anti-material class.

And, seems to me that most sniper shots at ranges where the .338 really has a ballistic edge, your going to be hampered so badly by environmental factors and optics limitations that shooting is a poor choice. Perhaps in the desert, and your so far away your target can't retaliate...

 

[Justice06RR]

I have not owned or shot either .338Lapua or 50BMG rifles, although I have looked at them quite a few times at the lgs (would like to own them one day when I can afford it). The price difference between two rifles can be a factor. A Barrett 50BMG M82A1 is $8900 while the Barrett .338Lapua was around $4700 which is almost less than half of the 50.

In some applications the 50BMG can be overkill and ammo costs something like $5/rd depending on what you use. .338Lapua has better BC and a bit cheaper overall, while still having the same range(or more) as the 50.

 

[The Baron]

Because of the price and the fact that there is no real need for a civilian to use one the only reason a regular guy would have one would be just because its cool. In my opinion its only real need is as a sniper round.

 

[hogdogs]

Sniper round only? Not a long range plinking round for those who do not care about the costs?

I know a few folks who fire up their Barret .50's for "family fun day" shoots in their back yard....

At about $5 per shot, i hear my wallet squalling just watching them go thru a few ammo cans before supper...

Brent

 

[allaroundhunter]

Because of the price and the fact that there is no real need for a civilian to use one the only reason a regular guy would have one would be just because its cool. In my opinion its only real need is as a sniper round.

So "just for fun" is no longer a valid reason to have a gun? Heck, many of my guns are just for fun guns. I have a few hunting guns, and a few defensive guns, but many are fun range toys....

 

[The Baron]

I didn't say you shouldn't have them just for fun but most people won't have a reason other than that to buy one. Thats what I meant when I said people would buy them because they're cool. I certainly don't have the money for that kinda fun

 

[Art Eatman]

Probably be good medicine for use on Kodiak Island...

 

[imp]

Like I said in the first post, I'm all for owning what makes you happy. I purposefully compared the .338 lapua to the big 50 because, in my humble experience, if your going to spend big money on a long range fun gun, what could be more fun than sending 750 grains of hot lead way out yonder.

Justice points out that a Barrett. M82 is very expensive, there are cheaper alternatives. Shooting the .50 can be almost as reasonable as shooting the Lapua.

 

[reynolds357]

Its a great Elk Rifle. I bought mine because I didn't have one.

 

[timelinex]

There's a huge misconception on how expensive they are to shoot. 50bmgis expensive, even if you reload, because of the sheer size of everything. I reload my match quality 338lm ammo for $1.25 a piece. That's not skimping on anything, I'm talking about Berger bullets and lapua brass.

People that don't reload and use factory match ammo,pay that much or even more per round for their 308!

Also the other reason for it vs the 50bmg is it is inherently more accurate round at long range. I've shot mine to 2200 yards.

If you need energy on target, then 50's where it at, otherwise 338 is the clear winner.

 

[Bart B.]

In a recent test of several cartridges the US Army was having tested by top ranked long range marksmen, the .338 Lapua was easily out performed for both accuracy and first shot hit probability at ranges up to 1500 yards by the .300 Win. Mag. Go figure this out if the .338's thought to be superior to the others. It should be easy to see why considering the shootability of each round in shoulder fired rifles.

Folks often say that the longest confirmed sniper kill has been made with 338 Lapua. Without knowing its shooters' hit:miss ratio per shot fired, that's probably just some luck of the odds. May still be if the hit:miss ratio was known. We don't know how may shots he made at that distance and missed, do we? If any of us did that a lot of times on a lot of targets, we too would eventually make a hit with the first shot at one.

Why is the 50 BMG considered inherently more accurate round at long range than some smaller caliber round?

 

[allaroundhunter]

People that don't reload and use factory match ammo,pay that much or even more per round for their 308!

.308 Federal Gold Medal Match can be less than $1/round down here....at least when you can find it.

Folks often say that the longest confirmed sniper kill has been made with 338 Lapua. Without knowing its shooters' hit:miss ratio per shot fired, that's probably just some luck of the odds. May still be if the hit:miss ratio was known. We don't know how may shots he made at that distance and missed, do we? If any of us did that a lot of times on a lot of targets, we too would eventually make a hit with the first shot at one.

That shot was made by the late Chris Kyle. It was a first shot hit, and yes, even he admitted that luck was with him on the shot. In proper hands, the .338 is a better long range round. It shoots heavier bullets, with higher BCs. Just using physics, it has an edge over the .300 Win Mag. Chris Kyle had his choice of rifles available to him, including .300 Win Mags which he used. If he chose the .338 Lapua for an extreme long range application (which he did), there was good reason for it.

Why is the 50 BMG considered inherently more accurate round at long range than some smaller caliber round?

Many think that, but just because they see snipers with big .50 BMGs that it must be the best thing out there. In reality, it isn't, at least for anti-personnel applications.