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300 Win Mag - 1 Bullet
- Thread starter redhawk41
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Art Eatman
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R&D by the bullet guys has today's 180-grain bullets equalling the penetration of yesterday's 200- and 220-grain bullets.
So, for a "do it all" bullet I'd go with a 180.
So, for a "do it all" bullet I'd go with a 180.
reynolds357
New member
180 grain TSX.
reynolds357
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If you can get them to shoot, you are a better man than me. I have never got them to go under 1 moa. That's in rifles that spit TSX and GMX 1/2 MOA.180 Swift Scirocco II is one I have on hand and plan on working up a load for.
reynolds357
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Since you put great bears in the equation, I would use 180. I have always got better groups from the TSX than the TTSX. I could be wrong, but I think Barnes only offered the blue tip to keep up with the sales fad and market trend.With the Barnes would you still use 180 or drop down to the 165 / 168 range?
Tipped or not tipped (TTSX vs TSX)?
R&D by the bullet guys has today's 180-grain bullets equalling the penetration of yesterday's 200- and 220-grain bullets.
So, for a "do it all" bullet I'd go with a 180.
The BC's are enough better on the 200 that it will perform much better at longer distances.
The 180, even 165 gr, copper bullets will probably match the 200 AB in penetration, but they have to impact at 2000-2200 fps in order to expand. The AB's still expand down to 1600-1800 fps The copper bullets drop below that threshold at relative short range compared to where the 200 gr AB falls below 1800 fps.
The 180 gr copper bullets start being borderline fast enough past 500 yards. The 200 AB is still above 1800 fps to almost 800 yards. I still think the 200 AB is the best all around choice.
You buy a 300 WM to shoot long distance. Why handicap yourself with a short range bullet. And don't get me wrong. I like the TTSX bullets, but they are a good bullet for specific uses. Not the best all around bullet.
reynolds357
New member
Jmr40, I would disagree with your reasoning. The TSX is a fine long range bullet. It's lack of expansion at low velocity insures deep penetration even at lower velocity.
Brian Pfleuger
Moderator Emeritus
And "beyond 500 yards" is a concern for a tiny minority of hunters... all of whom, if competent enough to make the shot, will be well practiced and thoroughly knowledgeable enough about their gear that our input would be unnecessary anyway.
The 180 gr copper bullets start being borderline fast enough past 500 yards. The 200 AB is still above 1800 fps to almost 800 yards. I still think the 200 AB is the best all around choice.
It probably is the most versatile option, you're right. It's a great choice, for sure. It most certainly will do it.
If we are stipulating 800 yards, it's the winner. Should probably be looking at the 210 LRAB then too. And the 300 RUM.
Looks like the Barnes offering in 200gr is either TSX or LRX, not TTSX. The BC on the LRX is .546 vs 200gr Accubond is .588. The 200gr LRX loaded appropriately is going to be good to at least 500 yards. I still like the 200gr LRX (changing my answer) inside 500 yards which is where most people are hunting. For moose and griz, I'll take the Barnes and get closer if I have to.
Assuming where most people hunt, which is inside 350 yards, the Accubond takes the backseat to any 200gr Barnes bullet in my opinion (when it comes to Moose and Griz and quartering bull elk). Both bullets would do the trick though.
No way would I step down to 165gr in monolithic or 180gr in accubond, not because it wouldn't work, but because the cartridge is capable of flinging the heavies and the extra weight and BC are worth the recoil. And you're gonna put a brake on it anyway, if you're gonna shoot it enough to be confident at 800 yards.
FrankenMauser
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.300 WM, pronghorn to brown bear, potential long range...?
My initial instinct is to go with a 180 gr Partition. A 200 would be fine, too. I know Partitions. I like Partitions.
But I'd probably try some 178 or 200 gr ELD-Xs before committing. They look promising.
The 180 gr weight class is more than enough for anything on this continent. The only reason I would step up to the 200 gr weight class would be if they shot better from the rifle(s) in question.
My initial instinct is to go with a 180 gr Partition. A 200 would be fine, too. I know Partitions. I like Partitions.
But I'd probably try some 178 or 200 gr ELD-Xs before committing. They look promising.
The 180 gr weight class is more than enough for anything on this continent. The only reason I would step up to the 200 gr weight class would be if they shot better from the rifle(s) in question.