.270win

Love&Hate12

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I am thinking about getting one, can anyone tell me how it compares to the .223 and .308 in range effectiveness, accuracy and power.

I am just starting my gun collection.

Thanks.
 

gak

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The .270 is much more "devastating" -- than the .223 and is really not a comparison--much longer and harder hitting. The .308 is comparable to the ..270 in the real world up to 300 yds or so -- and arguably a better choice in this range for elk with more ft. lbs of delivered energy -- but otherwise beyond this yardage is where the .270 takes over. .270 flatter trajectory at higher fps than the .308 or .30-06 given similar bullets or let's say certainly comparing each round's most effective "all around bullet" - which would = 130 for the .270 (not much bullet choice in teh 130 territory for the .30's) and 150 gr in the .30 calibers. The 130 gr is where the .270 built its reputation and still shines though 140 gr has made some true believers in the last few years and is hard to argue against.

The .308 is much more comparable overall to the .270 than the .223 and is mostly a matter of choice between the 308and the .270 in the short to medium ranges. Long range -- 300-475/500 yd -- western hunting for mule deer and bighorn sheep is where the .270's reputation lives on--the quintessential western deer gun - "The Rifleman's Rifle" (Model 70 Win more specifically, early on) as the media has put it for many years. Shorten the range up just a bit and you're talking similar results with the .308 on that sized game...and preferred by some hunters for its (the .308's) short action = a handier "mountain rifle" right out of the box in most barrel lengths in which it is popular. It is true that the 7mm Mag will do it that much "better" than the .270 yet re range, trajectory with more lbs ft at the receiving end, but at a "cost" of wasted blast and recoil...for thin skinned medium sized game not necessary. The .280 Rem is a near identical twin to the .270--so much so that it's barely (some would say unfairly) been noticed in the marketplace over the years, coming onto the scene more than a 1/2 century later than the .270. The .280 is seen by many as having the advantage of a better - and slightly heavier - array of bullets to choose from and therefore a slightly better choice for elk duty--if it comes to that kind of decision.

It's almost like the .270 is an 80/20 (deer/elk %) +/- 5% gun--meaning when purchasing the gun there is at most a 20% "stated" chance it will also be used for elk, while the .280 roughly 70/30, the .308 a 60/40 (within its range as any of these) and '06 50/50. Neither the .270 or .280 are considered elk specialists, though many have been successfully taken with them (shot placement is nearly everything)--or as good as the .30-06 (which isn't either, but is closer to "regular" duty/acceptability) for elk. As for the 7mm Mag is in the 55/45 zone as it has been said that, while it will outrange the '06 or any of the rest of the calibers noted here, it doesn't have what it takes to consistently (ideally) bust shoulder bone--for instance--when it needs to vs even a non magnum .30 cal. shot within its range. Any time you get over the 50% elk category, you should probably be looking at one of the magnums like the .300 and .338 Win Mags, or similar RUMs. And if you are beyond the '06's accurate/effective range, you should be looking at one of these anyway for elk.

Other than its well known role with the US military (M-16 and its derivatives), the .223 is seen more of a small game, varminter, survival/home/self defense gun, and while it will certainly kill a deer it is not preferred (and been known to damage some meat in the process). To me, to take a .223 deer hunting is being "under gunned." and some areas may not permit it. Ammo availability of all three calibers is very high. .223 is pretty cheap and .308 very plentiful (due to its military applications over the years). The .270 Win is only slightly behind the '06 amd .30-30 in its wide availability in most sporting goods stores. The .280 less so for reasons mentioned--"fair" or not.
 

gak

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A nice "basic" gun collection to consider :) * = the essential 5)

* .22 LR (rimfire) bolt action Rem or older Win (or Kimber if you can afford it!) - to learn/hone shooting skills + cheap (cheap) plinking fun/pest control
.22 Ruger auto
.223 in an AR (M-16) or Mini 14 Ruger format--HD/SD, plinking/varminting
*.30 M-1 Carbine ("just because"/HD/SD, small game/varminting/pest control)
7.62x39 in either SKS (see many, many threads on) or Mini-30 Ruger format
.357 or .44 Mag lever gun - Marlin or Rossi (various distributors) -- "just because"/pest control, HD/SD, close/brush deer (esp .44)
* .30-30 Marlin or Win 94 -- my pref the latter in Pre 64 non-scoped -- "just because" everyone should have a "basic truck/ranch" 30-30, and for brush deer.
7mm-08 Rem 700 Mt. Rifle -- short to medium rge mule & whitetail deer
* .270 Win Rem 700 CDL or Win 70 Classic Featherweight-- antelope, bighorn sheep, mule & whitetail deer
* .300 Win Mag Rem 700 CDL or Win 70 -- elk (and does mule deer fine too)
.45-70 Marlin lever - close in brush elk/bear​

To avoid the inevitable flames, I will not argue with anyone wanting to replace one of the above * items, say the M-1 Carbine (one of my faves) or the .30-30, with the x39 :) And also hard to argue against those who might say, just get a .223 a .357 lever and a .30-06 and be done with it! -- but the above is considering a more robust collection is possible. Obvious by their absence but also worthwhile--bracketing the above calibers: the .22 centerfires (.22-250, .222 Rem, etc.) for long range varminting, target, etc., as well as "Alaska" calibers of the .338s and .375 H&H, etc.
 
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Love&Hate12

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Thanks friend, you're very informative.

I have a few .22's an sks and an ak.

I will look into all those you mentioned. Lever guns are cool.
 

gak

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Love&Hate12, you'd be well served with something in the .270 to .30-06 range. Nothing wrong with the .308 either. As many threads have noted, with modern gun powders it equals the ballistics/effectiveness of the '06 now--for all but the medium long ranges (and some say the difference is just on paper) -- despite its being a shorter action with less case capacity (having both the same bullet dia. and case dia.). Still, nothing like one of the "original" traditional regular/long action .06-based "deer" rounds for all around duty. I'm partial to the .270 and .300 Win Mag (for the 2 gun battery for deer through elk ) but the other choices have equally valid arguments, depending on the argument! AND, as I and others have said, if you can only have one of the longer action calibers, the '06 is very hard to beat. I like the levers too and (as may be indicated by my list) own a .44 Mag Rossi (EMF) and Pre 64 (actually pre war) .30-30. Have had the .357 levers too and they are great (and cheaper) fun as well.
 

joshua

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If you are hunting deer size game such as mulie and whitetail deer then the 270 is at the top of it's game. As an elk cartridge it is the minimum and other cartridges such as 7mm mag or 300 win mag are about ideal. If you want a versatile round get the 06 for the least amount of recoil to deal with and capable of taking all of north america's game. Now if you are planning of purchasing a different rifle for the bigger stuff then the 270 is good for coyote, antelope, mule/whitetail deer, hogs and black bear. Like I said most experienced hunters will tell you that the 270 is the minimal choice for elk and on up. I like it and I shoot the 270 because it is flat shooting, doesn't pound my shoulder to death and very accurate. I would use it for elk if it's the only rifle I have. josh
 
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