223/5.56 AK and derivatives

[kcub]

What are some good ones?

I have a Galil I really like. Milled, accurate, and very high quality.

 

[Destructo6]

SIG 55x

 

[2afreedom]

If you can find a Saiga .223, they are great guns, especially converted back to their original configuration. SGM sells magazines that run well in them, although they are more expensive than the competition.

 

[Mrgunsngear]

Used SA-5s for what you listed.

 

[drobs]

A little too rich for my blood but wouldn't mind one of these:

Definitive Arms 556 AK

The Serbian Pap M85 will probably be my next AK pistol:

 

[Ignition Override]

Atlantic Firearms has the (.223) PAP M90 NP now on their website: "in stock". These are manufactured with adapters designed to accept AR magazines: plastic, but reportedly very durable. Approx. $800 or so.

I bought a 'nib' Saiga .223 two weeks ago, and it will stay original. The trigger is pretty good, shorter pull than both of my SKS, and a bit crisp.
There might not be any gun smith in the Memphis area who has installed the bullet guide with which the Saiga .223 might accept AR mags---reliably.

The Izhmash 10rd. magazines are very hard to locate, but I found two of them.

2afreedom: have you tried a few different SGM 20-rd. mags in the Saiga .223?
A few skeptical reports I read about them seemed to be first-hand, but can't remember which of their mag capacities were mentioned. This basic gun really is a lot of fun, even with simple slow fire.

 

[Fishbed77]

SIG 55x

Not based on the 4 out of 4 bad examples MAC profiled at his Youtube channel.

IMHO, it's hard to beat a properly converted Saiga .223.

 

[kcub]

Are Galils and Valmets good to go with steel case ammunition or might you break an extractor or some other not so easily replaceable part like an AR?

 

[viciouskitty]

I have a century built galil but it eats steel case like candy that's mostly what I've shot thru it.

 

[kozak6]

Saiga, Vepr, Beryl/Archer, M85NP, M90NP, maybe a Sig.

If you can afford a few thousand dollars for a Valmet, you should be able to afford a couple bucks for someone to dremel on Galil/AK parts until they fit.

 

[halfcocked]

Arsenal SLR 106F is a good choice to. Well made, looks just like an AK74 and the side folder looks like a regular stock and locks up rock solid.

 

[kcub]

Good suggestions.

Is an SA-5 the South African?

Where to get?

 

[Mrgunsngear]

http://www.arsenalinc.com/usa/SA_M-5_SERIES.html

 

[kcub]

Are they still making Arsenal milled SAM5?

 

[2afreedom]

I replied to your PM, Ignition. To answer your question, I have 4 20 round SGM magazines for my rifle. All have been perfectly reliable with no modifications to the gun or the magazines.