1998 law review article of note

Strayhorn

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While doing some research yesterday, I came across this article:

http://www.law.ucla.edu/faculty/volokh/common.htm

In this 1998 NYU Law Review article, Professor Eugene Volokh of UCLA Law School compares the wording of the Second Amendment--"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed"--with that of gun-freedom and other liberty clauses in various state constitutions. He rebuts "the claim that a right expires when courts conclude that the justification given for the right is no longer valid or is no longer served by the right."


Ken Strayhorn
Hillsborough NC
 

Scott Conklin

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A right expires when a court concludes...

OK, I admit I never heard that particular phrasing before. If one takes that statement to its logical extreme...nevermind, we all know where such reasoning goes. Sometimes I'm amazed at what crops up these days.
 

USP45

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Take 15 minutes and read the paper. It's actually pretty good, and may give us a less intimidating means of getting at the fence-sitters.

Likewise, consider the New Hampshire Ex Post Facto Article:

Retrospective laws are highly injurious, oppressive and unjust. No such laws, therefore, should be made, either for the decision of civil causes, or the punishment of offences. 37

One can probably imagine situations where retrospective laws, especially civil ones, are not in fact injurious, oppressive, and unjust (or at least not highly so). 38 Even those who believe that all ex post facto laws are highly unjust would probably concede that some reasonable judges could take a different view. And yet the provision bans all ex post facto laws, not only the highly unjust ones.

These provisions, like constitutional rights provisions more generally, don't just announce a purpose and ask courts to do whatever the judges think fits the purpose. Their enactors could have done so -- they could have broadly required "the trial of the facts near where they happen," or required "the trial of facts in a way conducive to the security of the life, liberty, and estate of the citizen," or banned "highly injurious, oppressive and unjust" laws generally. But they instead chose to impose much more specific constraints, constraints that are both over- and underinclusive.


Those who enacted the Bills of Rights apparently didn't trust courts to decide for themselves what's "conducive to the security of the citizen" or what's "highly injurious, oppressive and unjust," or even what's "near." They meant to constrain courts, not to leave them with complete discretion to do justice any way they think best. The enactors had broad ends in mind, but they chose to serve those ends by enacting into law some particular means. 39


So it is with the Second Amendment. The Framers may have intended the right to keep and bear arms as a means towards the end of maintaining a well-regulated militia -- a well-trained armed citizenry 40 -- which in turn would have been a means towards the end of ensuring the security of a free state. But they didn't merely say that "a well-regulated Militia is necessary to the security of a free State" 41 (as some state constitutions said), or "Congress shall ensure that the Militia is well-regulated," or even "Congress shall make no law interfering with the security of a free State." Rather, they sought to further their purposes through a very specific means. 42


Congress thus may not deprive people of the right to keep and bear arms, even if their keeping and bearing arms in a particular instance doesn't further the Amendment's purposes. As the other state constitutional provisions show, there should be nothing surprising in this. When you mean to check government authority, 43 you do this by imposing specific commands on the government, even if they sometimes don't match your purposes perfectly, rather than by letting the government decide how it thinks the purposes can best be served.

Conclusionary:

My modest discovery is that the Second Amendment belongs to a large family of similarly structured constitutional provisions: They command a certain thing while at the same time explaining their reasons. Because some of the provisions appeal to liberals and some to conservatives, they offer a natural test suite for any proposed interpretation of the Second Amendment. If the interpretive method makes sense with all the provisions, that's a point in its favor. But if it reaches the result that some may favor for the Second Amendment only by reaching patently unsound results for the other provisions, we should suspect that the method is flawed.
 

jimpeel

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2nd Amendment,

The way you have heard it is the argument that:
a) The founders couldn't have envisioned today's firearms
b) The need for militias no longer exists
c) The need to protect the public, especially children, supercedes your right to own a firearm
d) The Second Amendment was from a different time and place and is, today, an obsolete proviso in law.

There are more, but you get the drift.
 
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