'03 Springfield

W. C. Quantrill

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I am about to obtain a Rock Island Armory M1903 Springfield rifle.

Serial # is 225XXX Under the 300,000 number considered by pundits to be "safe".

I have heard the horror stories about the brittle receivers, however, this rifle survives. In spite of over a million rifles made and shot, It think that there was 67 malfunctions total, and most of them from Springfield Armory.

I would like to hear comments from anyone who does shoot the '03, as I see this as a perfect Homeland Defense rifle for what we have coming.
 

csmsss

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If you want to shoot a rifle with a known predisposition to catastrophic failure, that is your prerogative, because there is no law against doing foolish and dangerous things. By all means, have at it.
 

Slamfire

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SA low numbered receivers range from 1 to 800,000. I do not remember the RIA range. Something like 285,000? These receivers were made of a low carbon Manganese steel later called WD 1325. If you examine the material properties of the stuff, it is very low grade. Material properties of the stuff in an annealed state are : Tensile Strength Lbs per square inch: 75,000 lbs, Yield; 50,000 lbs. The steel used in these receivers is only somewhat better than what is used for structural steel (rebar) today. Today, it would be hard to justify using such a cheap, inferior grade of steel on something that was so complex, and was so expensive to manufacture. In fact, in time, SA used alloy steels, the so called Nickel steel receivers.

Low numbered receivers were made in a period in which very poor process controls existed at Springfield Armory. Many of the receivers were over heated in the forging shop, not during heat treatment. The men who were stamping out the receivers got them too hot in the forging ovens. Probably because making the metal hotter made it more plastic and easier to stamp. Unfortunately, what happened is that they "burnt" the steel. Burning steel is not like burning toast. It is a fusion reaction, fusing the steel into one big austenite crystal. They wanted a crystalline structure of martensite. But when steel is raised to a “white hot” temperature (about 2000 F) the steel is all in the austenitic phase. When it cools from this temperature it is a very hard, brittle steel. Burnt receivers are unsafe to use.

During WWI a low numbered receiver shattered at a ammunition plant, and thus the process problem was raised at a high enough level to become visible to Army Management. From what little material is available on this topic, it appears that the Army revamped Arsenal processes and also changed the heat treatment from a single quench to a “Double Heat Treatment”. This occurred around receiver 800,000 for SA receivers. The double heat treatment does not solve the problem of overheating during the forging cycle, but the tensile and yield properties after heat treatment are improved over that of a single heat treatment. This is well described in Hatcher’s Notebook, and because of the lengthy discussion of this in that book, there is almost a cult of the double heat treat receivers today. Double heat treatment without a doubt doubled the process cost during heat treatment, and when the Army finally used alloy steel for M1903 receivers, the heat treatment went back to a single heat treat.

The materials of the pre 1920’s were greatly inferior to the same steel made today. Process technology is critical to a quality product. What I have read, from a number or historical technology books, just leads me to conclude that the steels of that era were highly variable. Research on existing specimens show slag, things indicating primitive process controls. This was not evil: they were just at the start of the development of steel technology. It was not that far back when they were flame hardening Krag bolts. Sophisticated steels and standardized steel tests, such as shock tests, were still in development.

Someone asked Ludwig Olsen why the Swedes used plain carbon steel receivers through the production of the Swedish M1896 rifles, and he replied something to the effect “they found it so entirely satisfactory that there was no reason to change”. In other words, there was no outside forcing function to make them change. I suspect that if Springfield and Rock Island had never made defective receivers, they probably would never had made a material change. However, if the carbon steel was properly heated treated, there is no reason why the single heat treatment Class C receivers would not have finished production.

However, none of this changes the fact that early receivers have little margin of safety in an accident.

P.O Ackley blew up single heat treat receivers and nickle steel receivers. I highly recommend reading both P.O. Ackley’s blowup discussion and the American Rifleman Oct 1945 Dope Bag. The sense I get out of both is that quality of SHT receivers varies. In P.O Ackley’s blowup tests, the SHT receiver ring completely blew off (not unexpected) but it held up better than expected. “ It might be observed that the old hard Springfield actions approached the strength of the new actions more closely than had been supposed. The main difference being that when they do let go, the are more apt to blow apart completely…” It took 3 grains more of powder to destroy a Nickel Steel 03 receiver. And that one blew the cocking piece out with such force P.O. said it would have killed someone.


A comment about the M1903 receiver, it was not as safe as a design as the M98. Mauser designed his receiver to minimize case head failures, and then designed the action to failure in a way to protect the user. The M1903 does not have these considerations. The 03 has a cone breech and inadequate gas venting. The two piece firing pin fails in a forward position and people have had "slamfires" when this happened.


I am unaware of an inspection technique to distinguish between good low number receivers from bad ones, and certainly the Army was unable to do it, because it became Army Practice to scrap low number receivers during rebuild. Over one million of these things that were made, and a good number of those had several barrels put on them. The trouble is non destructively figuring out which were the good receivers. The Army was not able to do that, so in the late 1920’s they started scrapping them. The Marine Corp did not. The Marine Corp, being the ugly step child of the Navy, and still underfunded to this day, kept their low number receivers in service. I guess it was cheaper to replace Marines than rifles! I think there is less risk in shooting a single heat treat that has the Hatcher Hole on it, and went through a rebuild/rebarrel program.

I copied this from the old CSP forum. Even Double Heat receivers failed.


DHT Action Failure
C.O.Smith <Send E-Mail> -- Sun 6 Apr 2008 6:02 pm
Double heat-treated M1903 actions do fail. In 1965 a fellow brought me a low numbered (SA 699842) action on which some incompetent gunsmith (?) had tried to mount a scope. On the first shot, the front scope mount fell off. Examination of the receiver showed that he had drilled two or three holes trying to mount the front mount. resulting in one big mess. I traded an 03A3 barrel for the action.
In those days the DCM would exchange a low numbered receiver for a high numbered receiver for $7.90 + P&H and shipping for a total of $10.21. In exchange for the low number action I received a DHT (SA 962540) receiver. According to records this should have been well into the DHT action, manufactured in 1918. The action was parkerized and I do not remember whether it had the 1936 hole in the left side of the receiver ring.
I fitted a HS 4 groove 5-44 barrel to it along with a good DHT bolt. After installing a long slide Lyman 48 sight I glass bedded it into a Bishop Target stock. It shot pretty well several high “V” count Possibles at 600 yards (100 – 13 V’s). My club had received as its allotment of qualification ammo from the DCM. It was DEN 42 AP. (Yes in those days we could get free qualification ammo from the DCM and they did issue corrosive AP ammo.) It shot pretty well - 96-12V at 600 yards on the old Dona Ana range.
I was shooting the old Long Range Course “B” which included 10 shots at 1000 yards. Because it was a 1000 yards I was using a “hot” 200-grain SMK bullet with I believe 54 grains of IMR 4350. A great load! On about the 6th or 7th shot the bolt became hard to open and accuracy went to pot
I took the rifle to my gunsmith who ran a field test bolt into it and found excessive headspace. We removed the barrel and found the imprint of the locking lugs on the receiver ring where the receiver had set back. We checked the bolt and it gauged good. The gunsmith wanted the receiver so I traded it to him for some minor gun work. I don’t know what he did with it. The DCM would not exchange high numbered receivers.
I have a NS SA action in the 132xxxx range in which I am working on my third or fourth barrel with no problems

I added it to the database
Jim Tarleton <Send E-Mail> -- Sun 6 Apr 2008 7:42 pm
Another SA in that SN range bulged due to excessive pressure. There have been a significant number of HN receivers that have failed (25 in my database alone). It took a considerable amount of pressure to leave that imprint. You were lucky the case held.
Jim
 

W. C. Quantrill

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Thanks Slamfire. Good information means much more than insults.

Your comment that there is not a good way to determine the safety of the receiver is what I was looking for as I have access to getting it magnafluxed, but if that wont tell us anything, then there is no need to waste the money. I will make a contact and see if I can get a late reciever for it before I invest much money in it. I was hoping to get it for less than $100, and if so could afford to tinker with it a wee bit.
 

Slamfire

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Your comment that there is not a good way to determine the safety of the receiver is what I was looking for as I have access to getting it magnafluxed, but if that wont tell us anything, then there is no need to waste the money. I will make a contact and see if I can get a late reciever for it before I invest much money in it. I was hoping to get it for less than $100, and if so could afford to tinker with it a wee bit.

Magnaflux will tell you if there are cracks. It will not tell you about the microstructure of the steel.

I have a Single Heat treat with a hatcher hole. I plan to rebarrel and shoot mild loads in it. Duplicate 150 grain balls loads, (2700 fps) with today's powders, are in the 40,000 psia range. Commercial 30-06 is loaded hotter than service rifle loads.

I would not use a SHT for any application of a magnum cartridge. I would not use hot loads in them.

On the old CSP forum, one 03 Collector (Micheal Petrov) took a couple of SHT receivers and put 8mm Mauser cartridges through each of them. Apparently they were not ruined. He posted pictures, but received so many insulting emails, he withdrew the pictures. I did not see them but read the text.

In my opinion, the early SHT receiver has a slightly elevated risk of failure against any 1900 vintage receiver. I think pre 1900 receivers are even riskier.

All due to lack of process controls and those plain carbon steels.
 

W. C. Quantrill

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Good to know. I think I can get this rifle really cheap, and if the barrel is any good, keep it around as a plinker. I am not into hot loads anyway, so I think it will be ok, maybe make a functional lamp stand out of it. It is a good conversation piece if nothing else.

It is more about having the gun than shooting it. It is a 226XXX serial number so it is one of the later ones. There were a couple million of those rifles made. According to writings 67 failed, and most of them during the WWI timeperiod. The rifles were used during WWII without any failures, and thousands and thousands were converted to sporters without any failures. I am thinking the risk is minimal.
 

Trump260Z

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I have a Remington 328.xxx. Would that be ok to fire as far as this problem is concerned or any others. If i were to go to Wal-Mart to buy so 30-06 ammo is there anything recommended?
 

Slamfire

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A Remington 03 should be in the 3 million range, not 300,000.

All Remington receivers were made of nickel steel or 8620.They were also produced three decades later using more advanced production processes.

Remington 03 or A3 receivers are perfectly safe. Just have the headspace checked out. Bolts were not serialized to the receiver and there is always the chance someone swapped them out. Small chance, but stuff happens.
 

langenc

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Mine is Remington. Id have to go to the vault for the number.

I have shot mine a couple hundred times. A friend taking a community college gunsmithing ourse used it for a 'project rifle' and rebarrelled it with an issue barrel. He said it 'will be a one holer'. It is-one hole everytime I pull the trigger. It will shoot much better than I.
 

darkgael

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low#s

I have a Single Heat treat with a hatcher hole. I plan to rebarrel and shoot mild loads in it. Duplicate 150 grain balls loads, (2700 fps) with today's powders, are in the 40,000 psia range. Commercial 30-06 is loaded hotter than service rifle loads.

I,too, have a SHT Springfield, made in 1905. I shoot cast bullet loads in it. While there is no good way (no way at all) to determine which receivers were improperly heat treated, there are ways of assessing the risk. Understanding that most of the one million receivers were not improperly treated is a detail that gets left out (though not in this very good discussion). Taking a look at the lot numbers (Hatcher's Notebook) and seeing in which lots the failures occurred most frequently is another way of assessing the risk. There are a number of production lots in which there have been no recorded failures (the receiver that is on my rifle is from one such lot). In the end, though, as with most things, the decision is an individual thing.
Peter
 

Hardcase

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My understanding of the SHT versus DHT issue is that both types of receiver are just as prone to failure, however, the SHT receiver, due to the somewhat more brittle molecular structure will tend to shatter upon failure rather than stretch or bulge as the DHT will tend to do.

I should also add that not all SHT receivers were improperly heat treated, but there is no way to tell just by looking which ones were and which ones weren't. Some of the more optimistically minded folks who talk about the subject contend that over the 90 years or so since the last SHT receiver was made, all the bad ones should have failed by now. I suppose it's like playing the lottery. You make the decision, I'm not going to make any recommendations.

I have a DHT receiver in my 1920-manufactured MkI, but I still shoot fairly light handloads in it. Besides not wanting to beat the crap out of the rifle, I don't want to beat the crap out of my shoulder, either.
 

PetahW

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Life in this country is about freedom of choice.

I quickly bought a genuine, minty, all-original R.F. Sedgley Springfield Sporting Rifle about 15 years ago for $250.
The deal went down so quickly, and was priced so "right" - that I didn't even bother to check the serial number until I got it home.

My choice - despite my at-the-time burning desire to hunt/shoot it - was to sell it as fast as I could to a collector, who was better able to appreciate for what it was.

Despite it's beauty, appeal, and value - in reality it was a low-numbered wall hanger/safe queen, IMHO.

Besides which, the resale tripled my money - helping mightily to ease my pain.

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